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Old 11th March 2014, 12:02 PM
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Thanks guys, Its a really welcoming community.
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Old 11th March 2014, 12:26 PM
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Welcome Brasil

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Old 11th March 2014, 01:00 PM
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Old 11th March 2014, 04:55 PM
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Hi Brasil and welcome,

Ever come across one of those jerks that say: "I'm skeptical about skepticism".
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Old 11th March 2014, 07:55 PM
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Hi Brasil.

Welcome! ^_^
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Old 11th March 2014, 10:57 PM
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Since my last name is Brasil usually people call me Brasil.

I was atheist for a long time and used to believe that god didnt existed, and that the universe was just a giant 3D pool table full of little balls we call particles. And that science was the actual truth of the universe.

Until I started to study relativity ,quantics and the scientific method. And noticed that the Scientific Method is a falsificational method not a verificational one then I stopped believing in anything.

Today I'm really skeptical.
Hi Ric, unfortunately you seem to have a misunderstanding of what science is. When you have a better explanation of why or how something is what it is, that is backed by evidence, reproducible evidence generally, that's science.

Its not something you "believe in" like a science text is just a bible with different chapters.


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Old 11th March 2014, 11:21 PM
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Since my last name is Brasil usually people call me Brasil.

I was atheist for a long time and used to believe that god didnt existed, and that the universe was just a giant 3D pool table full of little balls we call particles. And that science was the actual truth of the universe.

Until I started to study relativity ,quantics and the scientific method. And noticed that the Scientific Method is a falsificational method not a verificational one then I stopped believing in anything.

Today I'm really skeptical.
By way of example.

Theorem: that science is true
Prediction: science will always be true
Falsification: scientists sometimes throw up wrong answers, fail to ask the right questions, or fail to take notice, or perhaps sometimes even care about some important things.

Now a simple result of this experiment might be that it is not proven that science is true, that is at a no higher level of believability or utility than God for example.

On the other hand a more complete view of science would be that this shows that scientific results are falsifiable, hence scientific.

A result or theory can be verified precisely because there is a way to check if it is in fact false.

A faith based belief is not like that. For example, the belief in the historicity of Buddha. It can't be proven that buddha existed, because there is no evidence. But it can be disproven only to a certain degree of explanation for the historical fact of belief in Buddha. If the belief persists beyond that, ten it is not a scientific, but a faith based belief.


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Old 11th March 2014, 11:32 PM
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In short, science is not true, science is hopefully a progression from less knowledge to more.

Call it the fruit of the tree of knowledge!

Oh almost forgot! Welcome to the forum!




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Old 12th March 2014, 12:36 AM
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A faith based belief is not like that. For example, the belief in the historicity of Buddha. It can't be proven that buddha existed, because there is no evidence. But it can be disproven only to a certain degree of explanation for the historical fact of belief in Buddha. If the belief persists beyond that, ten it is not a scientific, but a faith based belief.
Actually you end up with philosophy on that one, as follows:

The majr forms of Budhism describe Buddha as a historical person with no magic powers. His existence as a historical character or not is therefore not material to the discussion of his philosophy. That would be simple ad hominem. Instead we are left with discussing the merits or otherwise of the teachings, which have a few supernatural claims but are mostly about a way of life. The two can be separated and dealt with on their own merits.
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Old 12th March 2014, 06:47 PM
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Actually you end up with philosophy on that one, as follows:

The majr forms of Budhism describe Buddha as a historical person with no magic powers.
Not actually correct, i understand.

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His existence as a historical character or not is therefore not material to the discussion of his philosophy.
well it is for the same reasons as the discussion of the historicity or ahistoricity of a non magical Jesus. 'His' teachings rely on the argument from authority.

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That would be simple ad hominem.
It is not ad hominem to say there is no evidence that he existed.

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Instead we are left with discussing the merits or otherwise of the teachings, which have a few supernatural claims but are mostly about a way of life. The two can be separated and dealt with on their own merits.
That's your point of view and whatever works for you is good for you. But on a societal level whether 'he' existed, and if so what he said, and what he didn't say, become important.

If he didn't exist, what 'he' said is, absolutely nothing. Rather 'he' was a muppet or puppet and who she or he or they who spoke for the puppets becomes interesting and important.




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