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Old 22nd June 2012, 09:44 AM
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Hi fudge and welcome. I don't hate religion and I don't hate its adherents. What I do get though is angry and frustrated when the religious try to impose their views on everyone else and seek to influence public policy. People's personal beliefs and wishes in the supernatural have no place in the real world of health, education, etc. That's what I believe.

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I don't grasp how the beauty of nature is a random god-less act, I believe there must be a creator.... The evidence points to a design, a plan, a cause.
I'm sorry you are unable to grasp this and therefore default to "it's complex and amazing, therefore, God". This is a real shame because the reality of the situation, that nature is as it is because is just IS, is [how many times can I use 'is'?!] far more awe-inspiring than the quaint little notion that some Big Man In Teh Sky made it all on some artistic whim. Don't you think?

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I have experienced a lot of arguing between creationists and evolutionists, and both have good points, but it gets quite petty.
Here's a little joke for you:

Walking across a bridge one day, a man saw another man standing
on the edge, about to jump off, ran over and said "Stop!
don't do it!"

"Why shouldn't I?"


"Well, there's so much to live for!"


"Like what? I'm not married, I have no job..."


"Well... are you religious or atheist?"


"Religious."


"Me too! Are you Christian, Buddhist...?"


"Christian."


"Me too! Are you catholic or protestant?"


"Protestant."


"Me too! Are you episcopalian or baptist?"


"Baptist"


"Wow! Me too! Are you Baptist church of god, or

Baptist church of the lord?"

"Baptist church of god!"


"Me too! Are you original Baptist church of god,

or are you reformed Baptist church of god?"

"Reformed Baptist church of god"


"Me too! Are you reformed Baptist church of god,

reformation of 1879, or reformed baptist church of god,
reformation of 1915?"

"Reformed Baptist church of god, reformation of 1915"


"Die, heretic scum!", the man said, and pushed him off.



It illustrates pretty well, I think, what religious believers (and I'm including you in this, because you've pretty well established that you are a believer or at very least you want very much to be a believer) sound like to atheists with their endless arguing.

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Hitler shot himself to escape being caught, did he get away with what he did, with no punishment?
(an atheist would say he got away with it, a christian would say he got punished real good- but then how did god let him do it in the first place, and a muslim would say he got 12 virgins.......)
They doesnt seem quite fair.......
LOL Hitler! Not sure if this qualifies for a Godwin but I'm awarding one anyway

For what it's worth, Hitler "got away with it", yes. Because once he died, he was dead. And dead is dead, no matter how terrified one is of Teh Big Nothing and no matter how desperately one wants to believe there's something else and that you will survive your own death. You won't. Sorry to be so blunt but like everything else in life, you really do need to man up and accept it. Just because you don't like it and it doesn't seem fair, it IS [there's that 'is' again].

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Willy of Ockham says a creator isn't necessary, Fudge, no matter how much feelings might want one.

Sometimes shit just happens, and this cosmos is one of them.
And lastly. This.

Now I'm sure you'll be frustrated by the responses you've received here, fudge. But if it's warm fuzzies, fluffy kittens and glitter you're after, and you don't like organised religions, then I suggest you'll find yourself very much at home among the Deists. In fact, Deism sounds right up your alley and you'll find lots of like-minded people there who all desperately want to believe in Something Bigger but don't like the available flavours of the monotheistic religions and, of course, are terrified of dying and that it is The End. Because really, that's the bottom line of all religious belief. It's a big warm security blanket you put over your head to pretend that it's all going to be okay, you're so special that you'll leave this world and go somewhere else. It's a lovely thought isn't it? Makes it easier to face this difficult thing called life.

Sorry to burst your bubble mate.

All the best with it. And remember, when you're dead, you're dead
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Old 22nd June 2012, 11:02 AM
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I am curious to understand what atheists believe. Whether its just a group that hates religious groups or if you actually have a belief system that you can trust in?
I hate the religions, not the believers. The only exception, of course, is when the believers fuck around with me.

No, atheism is not a belief system, and it is not a group that hates religious groups.
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Old 22nd June 2012, 11:50 AM
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And god said: "Let there be light", and he was pleased. His beloved creations, human beings, were flooded by his divine light.

A little later......

"What the fuck?", god said. "Why are these people getting skin cancer?"

Oops!

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Old 22nd June 2012, 12:47 PM
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And god said: "Let there be light", and he was pleased. His beloved creations, human beings, were flooded by his divine light.

A little later......

"What the fuck?", god said. "Why are these people getting skin cancer?"

Oops!

In the meantime a significant proportion of the population are Vitamin D deficient.

Too much sun equals cancer.

Not enough sun means Vit D deficiency.

Pity the creator couldn't get the balance right!
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Old 22nd June 2012, 12:51 PM
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And god said: "Let there be light", and he was pleased. His beloved creations, human beings, were flooded by his divine light.

A little later......

"What the fuck?", god said. "Why are these people getting skin cancer?"

Oops!


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In the meantime a significant proportion of the population are Vitamin D deficient.

Too much sun equals cancer.

Not enough sun means Vit D deficiency.

Pity the creator couldn't get the balance right!
There was obviously a deficiency in the ethical impact considerations, if not the method of the experiment itself, when this exercise was conducted.
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Old 22nd June 2012, 01:30 PM
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Never would have made it past the research & ethics committee. Good one god. [Bloody amateurs! ]
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I believe in evidence, reason, and people.

I don't hate anyone. I have Christian friends and I work alongside them in the community in, by way of an example, the LGBTI community space.

I have a deeply intense dislike of bigots, charlatans, and people who want to use and abuse others. It happens that a reasonable number of theists are motivated by their faith to fall into one or more of those categories. For that reason I do tend to think that religion is, on the whole, a bad thing and the world would be a better place without it.
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Old 22nd June 2012, 02:08 PM
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Agnostic?
Agnosticism is the view that it is not possible to know whether or not there is a god. It doesn't mean that one is just uncertain; indeed in your further comments you adduce putative evidence for god. I note your profile says you are a believer. I wonder if you were unfamiliar with the meaning of "agnostic". Or is it the case that you do think that knowledge of god is impossible, but you choose to believe anyway?

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perhaps, I love nature and spend a lot of time outdoors, I don't grasp how the beauty of nature is a random god-less act, I believe there must be a creator....
God is, because you just think so? That's not much of a reason.

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The evidence points to a design, a plan, a cause.
Science calls it causality.......
No. No it does not.

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I don't like religion, but they seem to be the only ones to offer any explanation to what happens after you die.
That assumes that there is something after you die (other than that your body stops working and that your conciousness ceases) that needs explaining. This is a circular argument and a logical fallacy (actually it's the related fallacy of begging the question, but let's leave that aside).

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Can science explain it?
Apart from being fertilizer for flowers?
ditto

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The reason for this question is : Hitler shot himself to escape being caught, did he get away with what he did, with no punishment?
(an atheist would say he got away with it, a christian would say he got punished real good- but then how did god let him do it in the first place, and a muslim would say he got 12 virgins.......)
They doesnt seem quite fair.......
Again, what is and is not fact doesn't depend on your (or my) views of fairness or what we would like. To be honest, and I hope you won't be (too) offended, but to suggest otherwise is rather childish.

By the way, just as an aside, why do you think Hitler would be rewarded in an Islamic framework? Hitler was a Christian by the way, just a spectacularly bad one even by Australian Christian Lobby standards.

I deleted your other comments but: what would count for you as an adequate explanation?
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I don't like religion, but they seem to be the only ones to offer any explanation to what happens after you die.

Can science explain it?
Apart from being fertilizer for flowers?
I know, as far as one can know anything, that there were countless years before my consciousness started. Why should there not be countless years after my consciousness ceases?

I might not like it. I might want to live for ever. But wanting something does't make it so.
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I don't like religion, but they seem to be the only ones to offer any explanation to what happens after you die.
Putrification-my boss can explain it, her doctorate was on forensic science. Studied how corpses decay over time at the...

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