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Old 1st June 2010, 01:21 PM
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If you stopped filling your mind with Pseudo-scientific apologetica, and opened your mind to the rich and amazing world of real science then you would forget your childish notions. The world is not what you want it to be, it is what it is. Once you start paying attention to reality things will become much clearer, and will fascinate you far more than some modern update of stone-age mysticism.
how about starting to give a BETTER explanation for the origin of our universe, than God ? you have only two shots. A eternal universe, and a universe, that had a absolute beginning, and self created itself , by pure chance. So ?
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Old 1st June 2010, 01:23 PM
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I can't believe you referenced Behe, proven to be a liar and a sham in Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District. You do yourself no credit relying on discredited charlatans. None of your ideas are original and all have been thouroughly debunked many times. Perhaps you are done here?
How could i have been debunked, if i do give nothing more than a personal opinion about what seems to me to be the best explanation for the existence of our universe ?

So : what exactly has been debunked about what i presented here ?
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Old 1st June 2010, 01:32 PM
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pheeling filosophical? Are you serious? Did you know that what you're implying has been debunked by science already? Who says the 'subsystems' () provided no advantage at the time they came about? (see videos) Add: Also, why are you now arguing against evolution through natural selection? How can you believe in the 'big bang' and all that, and argue against evolution? {please treat these questions as if they were bolded red.}

i believe in micro-evolution, which is a fact. I do not believe in macro-evolution. The scientific discoveries do not support that theory , in my opinion.
I didn't ask about that, I asked you why you were arguing against evolution through natural selection. To Repeat:why are you now arguing against evolution through natural selection? How can you believe in the 'big bang' and all that, and argue against evolution? And To Elaborate on the first question since I should have made my point clearer: What does this topic have to do with Your Opening Post where the issue was 'how did the earliest known moments of the universe come into motion?'

Your opening post stated......
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how can we best explain our existence ?

what do you think is the cause of the existence of our universe ?

I think there are 3 options.

1. The univerese exists eternally, in one form, or the other, had no beginning.

2. The universe had a beginning, with the Big Bang, but without a cause.

3. The universe had a beginning, and therefore a cause.

If there are other options, which do not fit in one of these three categories, please name them.
Now you seem to be jumping all over the place, topic wise.

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You are coming across as being much more interested in 'insisting' that you are 'right' than exploring the issues. This is part of the reason you were placed on the Island.

I know you've put a lot of work into your library, and I know you're itching to use it, but this is not the place for that. Your references are full of christians saying "scientists say this" or "scientists say that" but they are just claims and you are providing nothing that came from the actual scientists themselves.

Look at it this way: If your religious beliefs are fact, then a proper discussion about science won't be a threat to your beliefs. False science is something that people push whenever they feel like scientific discoveries have become a threat to their beliefs. Making an assertion without providing citations, and referencing and repeating the same non-cited debunked claims will keep you on the Island and may get you banned soon as it is considered a form of anti-education. If you're interested in exploring the issues then start exploring them. No more copying and pasting regurgitated nonsense from the same debunked sources. If you are only interested in proselytising, there are other places you can do that. Surely you can talk about science without having to bring bible scholars into it. Bringing up the bible is not the objective way to go about science.

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Old 1st June 2010, 01:45 PM
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how about starting to give a BETTER explanation for the origin of our universe, than God ? you have only two shots. A eternal universe, and a universe, that had a absolute beginning, and self created itself , by pure chance. So ?
What about leprechauns?

They did it. See they live outside space and time and don't have to follow ANY rules, and they have a PLAN!

Yes for YOU! Just for YOU!

See they built everything just for YOU!

And they love you!!!

Seems like exactly the type of 'explanation' you are giving us.
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Old 1st June 2010, 01:51 PM
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Photographic evidence!!!



This leprechaun is OBVIOUSLY giving us a message, one of peace and love!

He twiddles knobs that define the fact that the universe exists because out of the quantum foam all possibilities occur! We happen to be in the middle of that possibility!

An you are acting like the puddle looking at the world built just for him saying of course it must be designed.

sigh, silly billy *shakeshead*
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Old 1st June 2010, 02:20 PM
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Dear Tsid502,

What piffle you write. Your quoted discussion of the puddle analogy sails so wide of the point we need parsecs to measure the distance.

You offer us your unsupported personal opinion against facts then take umbrage that we do not accept it.

You quote in support of your nonsense a discredited charlatan (Behe) then ask how it is that you yourself are discredited.


If you argue for fine tuning, you are the puddle in the analogy.
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The first thing I notice about the puddle is itís not very bright. In fact, itís downright stupid.
Quite so.
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Old 1st June 2010, 02:29 PM
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Well Tsid, another five posts by you since this:


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I note, Tsid, you still haven't answered this question:



It feels like I asked it a long time ago, but I see it is only four days ago. That said, by my rough count you've managed something like 90 posts (about 22 posts per day) in the meantime. Perhaps the question is rather harder than I had thought and is causing you some difficulties.

Let me put it another, more focused way.

Would you be comfortable being a passanger in a jet airliner piloted by a person who's familiarity with aircraft is limited to also having been a passenger and having seen some da Vinci drawings of flying machines?

There is a point to this and I really would like you to pay me the courtesy of an answer. It's a closed question so minimally can be answered with "yes" or "no".
and still not response. Is it really that hard? Are you really that rude?
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Old 1st June 2010, 02:34 PM
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Are you really that rude?
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But the leprechauns!!! They LOVE YOU!!!
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I thought so but I was giving you the benefit of the doubt.

I'd still like an answer to my question
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