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Old 16th January 2018, 10:14 PM
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I find a lot of sense in Stoic philosophy.

Being clear about what I can and can't change helps me apply what limited agency I have, and adapt to stuff that's not in my power to alter.
Sounds like AA's Serenity Prayer.
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Old 16th January 2018, 10:16 PM
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I find a lot of sense in Stoic philosophy.

Being clear about what I can and can't change helps me apply what limited agency I have, and adapt to stuff that's not in my power to alter.
Sounds like AA's Serenity Prayer.
I did see some parallels.
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Yeah but were they striking parallels?
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Yeah but were they striking parallels?
Striking as a pair of ichthyosaur boobies!

I think the "change what I can/accept what I can't/wisdom to know the diff" prayer is attributed to Reinhold Neibuhr, who died in 1971.

Obama admired Neibuhr, and I imagine "Man's capacity for justice makes democracy possible; but man's inclination to injustice makes democracy necessary" would have been welcome in Trumpland </sarcasm>.

It is also highly possible Neibuhr read a few Stoics' works.
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Old 19th January 2018, 02:49 PM
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From my experience of 29 years clean & sober, a lot of harm is done preaching that ONLY a faith in God will keep people sober. (God Definition: the omnipotent omniscient Christian creator type, not the Life The Universe and Everything Douglas Adams type)

I know it nearly brought me undone, way back when I was newly-sober, to have wise sincere gentlefolk telling me that "faith in God will come".

I survived (obviously , however feel a special sensitive fellowship for addict atheists still out there who want to get sober but are told their sobriety will require a corruption of their spirit, an insult to their intelligence, and a willing submission to servitude.

It would have been sooo easy for me, back in 1988, fresh out of detox, when told that it was God or Amen, to say "Oh, well I can't believe so I might as well keep drinking".

I think its important for sober atheists to speak out, to share that faith in God is not necessary.
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