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The Institute of Public Affairs has done well to highlight the way new laws have been eroding the basic rights of Australians over the past 12 months.
The organisation's annual survey of laws passed this year, on which we reported this week, details 19 new infringements during 2017. Added to previous years' examples, this steady erosion has allowed, on the institute's calculation, 324 instances where federal laws breach basic rights and freedoms.
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Crucially, the ALRC report shelved by the government two years ago found there was almost no cause for concern when it comes to freedom of religion in Australia. There were "very few, if any" federal laws that interfered with religious freedom, the review found including anti-discrimination laws.
That is significant because the Turnbull government last month asked Howard-era attorney-general Philip Ruddock to again examine whether Australian laws adequately protect religious freedom at a cost of $1 million.
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So there is an article in The Age (my 1st post) pointing to an article that "we reported last week", but that is in the Sydney Morning Herald.

Both articles are light on substance. The first suggests George Brandis addressing 18C on hate speech was doing a reasonable thing badly. I think I disagree.

And a Bill of Rights could entrench rights the wrong way, even though those rights are important? Codifying and evaluating is a bad thing?

A discussion could be fruitful.
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I won't trust any government with our rights that persists in praying to fairies in parliament, making religions tax-free, or sheltering kiddy-fuckers in the name of religious freedom and privilege.

The very idea that the confessional and other crazy shit can trump secular law is absurd, but I fear that all this behind the scenes discussion is going to enshrine such privilege as religious rights which the government will simply announce. And I would not rule out blasphemy laws either. Fucking turds.
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The very idea that the confessional and other crazy shit can trump secular law is absurd, but I fear that all this behind the scenes discussion is going to enshrine such privilege as religious rights which the government will simply announce. And I would not rule out blasphemy laws either. Fucking turds.


I am quite happy for them to keep their pathetic little secrets, just as long as it's understood that keeping criminal activity secret is a criminal offence and that confessional isn't protected from the law. You see lots of people keep secrets, the governments keeps secrets, I keep secrets, criminals keep secrets, but if they happen to be secrets about crimes then the criminal and the ones keeping the secrets will be prosecuted. So keep your secrets, just don't be surprised if you end up in prison for keeping them.


So they already have all the freedom they need to keep secrets, we just need remove the exemptions from criminal code for when they commit crimes.
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