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Old 30th October 2017, 06:16 AM
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The Holy Ghost/Spirit may tend to be ignored, but is a significant aspect of Religion. Science has no need of an Elan Vital to explain "life", as all can be covered by Materialism. Yes, we Humans are merely a complex chemical process, which ceases at death.
Trouble is, the Ancients, observing a person dying, mistook the Last Breath (exhaling CO2) as the spirit or soul leaving the body.
"Spirituality" is the phlogiston theory of Religion. We may have a Human 'vegetable' but not a disembodied 'spirit'.
Of course, there is that refined emotion, or 'spiritual' experience, when we contemplate the vast stellar universe - and no one is denying that.
But nought else. The word 'spirit' comes from same etymological source as ex-spire, re-spire, and even, in-spire.
Let PG Wodehouse have the last word (eg. "Speaking in Tongues?").
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Old 30th October 2017, 09:34 AM
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The Holy Ghost/Spirit may tend to be ignored, but is a significant aspect of Religion. Science has no need of an Elan Vital to explain "life", as all can be covered by Materialism. Yes, we Humans are merely a complex chemical process, which ceases at death.
Trouble is, the Ancients, observing a person dying, mistook the Last Breath (exhaling CO2) as the spirit or soul leaving the body.
"Spirituality" is the phlogiston theory of Religion. We may have a Human 'vegetable' but not a disembodied 'spirit'.
Of course, there is that refined emotion, or 'spiritual' experience, when we contemplate the vast stellar universe - and no one is denying that.
But nought else. The word 'spirit' comes from same etymological source as ex-spire, re-spire, and even, in-spire.
Let PG Wodehouse have the last word (eg. "Speaking in Tongues?").
"Can you speak Spanish?" "I don't know, I've never tried."
It is hard for some people to understand that there can be such a thing as "spiritual materialism", that reality/nature is both necessary and sufficient to create things of vast wonder. No need for skyhooks, as Dan Dennett would say.

Even more beautiful is that fact that we have the proper tool to explore nature [science], and our appreciation of nature is actually deepened when we know how it works. It don't make sunsets or butterflies any less beautiful by knowing how they came to be.
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Carl Sagan suggested abandoning the term "spiritual" altogether and replacing it with "a sense of the numinous". However numinous leads back to deities so I'm inclined to go back to one of the forms of love used by the Greeks "agape", love of everyone and beholding with surprise and wonder. (all six forms: eros, philia, ludus, agape, pragma and philautia)
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It's a wonderful universe. The Big Amaze is part of that.

Natural wonder is naturally wonderful: no "super" required.
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Stupefaction is the word for beholding the night sky in the desert or the Hubble images or reading a Brian Greene book on theoretical physics.
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Stupefaction is the word for beholding the night sky in the desert or the Hubble images or reading a Brian Greene book on theoretical physics.
Yes but "I am stupefied" doesn't sound as good as "I am agape".
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The Greek words for the several kinds of love are expounded in Christian sermons on the love of God.

They misappropriate the Greeks.
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The Greek words for the several kinds of love are expounded in Christian sermons on the love of God.

They misappropriate the Greeks.
And only St Catherine of Siena is allowed ἔρως (eros)?
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The Greek words for the several kinds of love are expounded in Christian sermons on the love of God.

They misappropriate the Greeks.
To be fair, christians misappropriated more than just the Greeks.

Hijacking other philosophical traditions is a christian sport.
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