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Old 23rd May 2017, 10:36 AM
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Hence "not quite".

Very broadly speaking, any evangelism is attempted mind control.

But "adopting radically different beliefs" - meh.
And "using systematic and often forcible means" - also pretty meh.

Like making a playground game of tag out to be a full-on martial arts melee, innit?
Yes, I see your point. "They" could say the same thing about "us", which would be equally untrue. Maybe it's a partial wash, that may lead up to a full scrub?
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SEG, if all the extreme terms are used up on mild subjects, what's to be done when the Big Heavy Shit comes along?
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SEG, if all the extreme terms are used up on mild subjects, what's to be done when the Big Heavy Shit comes along?
Evacuate the bathroom and deny everything?
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SEG wins this hand, with a flush.
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Extra credit assignment! This just popped up in my in-tray: http://www.neatorama.com/2017/05/22/...haped-America/
The format of this Alpha course and its reliance on Jesus as an historical dude does show the importance of holding each and every piece of evidence for Jesus as a historical dude to scrutiny and disclaimer
Indeed. And yet I cant help thinking that the idea of a historical Jesus is subordinate to the idea that submission to an authority is a virtue.
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Extra credit assignment! This just popped up in my in-tray: http://www.neatorama.com/2017/05/22/...haped-America/
The format of this Alpha course and its reliance on Jesus as an historical dude does show the importance of holding each and every piece of evidence for Jesus as a historical dude to scrutiny and disclaimer
Indeed. And yet I cant help thinking that the idea of a historical Jesus is subordinate to the idea that submission to an authority is a virtue.
True. But the authority here is Gumby, posing as the representative of Jesus and God/ Jesus is God.
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Yeah, all religious authority is self-declared.
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But what if at 8 years old you are now informed by the high priests through divination that you are the eternal reincarnated Dalai Lama and everyone is now duly celebrating your discovery?

One hardly has grounds to demur.
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But what if at 8 years old you are now informed by the high priests through divination that you are the eternal reincarnated Dalai Lama and everyone is now duly celebrating your discovery?

One hardly has grounds to demur.
That would be a form of that perennial favourite, Institutionalised Child Abuse.
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Extra credit assignment! This just popped up in my in-tray: http://www.neatorama.com/2017/05/22/...haped-America/
I Like the pic from The Manchurian Candidate.
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