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Old 19th April 2016, 05:54 PM
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For me, non belief and the realisation that I was NOT the devil incarnate nor possessed nor in danger of losing my mortal soul was a huge weight off my shoulders.
I am one of 13 children raised in a strict Catholic house. The church was our schooling, our social life and our go-to for every crisis in life.
However, I remember as if it were yesterday (over 50 years ago) sitting in catechism class and putting my hand up to ask a question regarding faith. The nun in charge turned purple, inviscerated me verbally for daring to question the faith and told me I was a disgrace to a fine Catholic family.
That was the not-so-thin edge of the wedge. I kept my mouth shut, studied everything that had nothing to do with religion and read everything I could get my hands on about other people's beliefs and thoughts.
It wasn't until I moved away totally from the mid-west Catholic community and my family that a whole new world of critical thinkers and rational humanists led me to the wonderful community of reason.
There is a big wide wonderful world of rational thought for anyone who cares to open their minds to it.
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Old 19th April 2016, 05:59 PM
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Being married to one of 14 I suspect I know quite a lot about your early years (depending on where in the list you dropped, mine is the runt of the litter).

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Old 20th April 2016, 09:23 AM
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I am the oldest of 3 in a non-religious family. It was something of a culture shock for me when I met my wife, who was the youngest of 7 from a Catholic family. Interestingly she was not religious herself and most of the family has become less religious over the last couple of decades.
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Old 20th April 2016, 02:34 PM
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Those size families are very rare these days, my parents had 4 kids in total and we were the second largest family in my primary school.
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Old 22nd April 2016, 09:23 AM
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Thanks for the feedback all. I am second youngest of the 13 Loki. It is a great pleasure to me to find that the younger generations of my family are emerging from the catholic cocoon and thinking for themselves (much to the alarm of their grandparents).
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Old 22nd April 2016, 05:46 PM
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Welcome, O51!
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A spirited and inspired post, O51!
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Old 18th May 2016, 09:39 PM
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Welcome Ozgenie.

Encouraging large families and forbidding contraception and abortion is a guarantee for the growth of Catholicism. World dominion.

Except, it's on the decline in the developed world. Ireland and America are getting zealous priests from Africa, who are totally unsophisticated, culturally na´ve.
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Encouraging large families and forbidding contraception and abortion is a guarantee for the growth of Catholicism. World dominion.
Its interesting this view. Its prevalent among many theist groups that they can out populate the world, as if their kids are incapable of ever changing their minds about religion.
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