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Old 16th February 2016, 03:12 PM
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Default Media Release: Why Do Loving Christians Want Permission To Speak Hate?

The Atheist Foundation of Australia (AFA) is deeply disturbed that the Australian Christian Lobby (ACL) is demanding a "temporary change" to anti-discrimination laws, so that their propaganda and misinformation about gay Australians, their loving relationships and their children during the mooted plebiscite on marriage equality can't be found to breach them.

There is so much manifestly wrong with this shockingly ill-conceived thought-bubble, that we hardly know where to begin:
  • If their Christianity was really "all about love", why is the ACL explicitly seeking permission to talk about other human beings in a way that might breach anti-discrimination laws proscribing hate speech?;
  • The ACL is already showing their hand for the plebiscite - tacitly admitting that their planned propaganda campaign will likely vilify and incite hatred against gay Australians, their children and their loved ones;
  • Religious organisations and voices are not above secular laws, and any lobbying for such exemptions should be strongly resisted;
  • If the only way that the ACL can argue a case against marriage equality is to vilify and incite legally-actionable hatred against gay Australians and their families, they clearly don't really have any reasoned, valid case against it.
And all of that that says nothing good about their humanity, ethics, motives or reasoning. Gay Australians and their children deserve far better than to be 'collateral damage' in the ACL's theocratic-ideological campaign.

AFA President Michael Boyd commented:
"This is yet another example of religious wishful thinking, that the secular laws that everyone else abides by should not similarly apply to them. We have all seen the horrible consequences of the religious picking and choosing which laws they will or won't follow. The ACL's latest plan has the same type of 'stuff-up' written all over it.

If the ACL think that it's fair and reasonable that they be granted this exemption... as a matter of consistency, would they support a similar exemption so that religions and the ACL could be legally vilified in a similar way?

We strongly doubt it. That is the essence of religious privilege and arrogance - claiming special treatment for itself and its adherents, that it seeks to deny everyone else."
The AFA calls on all Australian governments to seriously consider the horrendous implications of the ACL's 'proposal'... before uniformly responding "hell, no!".


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Old 19th February 2016, 03:01 PM
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The AFA calls on all Australian governments to seriously consider the horrendous implications of the ACL's 'proposal'... before uniformly responding "hell, no!".
This is a really interesting situation. I'm not sure that it would go well for them if they got what they requested. It would certainly expose the depravity of their thoughts for their fellow humans.
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This is a really interesting situation. I'm not sure that it would go well for them if they got what they requested. It would certainly expose the depravity of their thoughts for their fellow humans.
Agreed mate, FWIW I'm just mindful of the damage that could be done to the psyche of the LGBTIQ community, in letting them expose their depravity... which they regard as a virtue.
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Agreed mate, FWIW I'm just mindful of the damage that could be done to the psyche of the LGBTIQ community, in letting them expose their depravity... which they regard as a virtue.
I think the LGBTIQ community would be pleased at the support they would get from the wider community if we did allow them freedom to say what they wanted, however, you don't let someone commit murder just to prove they are a murderer, and while the degree is different, the principal is the same.
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Does anyone have a link to the ACL's request?

I have a Christian telling me that they are the font of all tolerance.
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Does anyone have a link to the ACL's request?

I have a Christian telling me that they are the font of all tolerance.
No worries.

Here is a link to the main article - http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politi...15-gmu4kd.html

And here is some fairly trenchant criticism of the entire idea by the Human Rights Commission president - http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politi...16-gmv5u8.html

And hopefully the AFA media release can also get a mention - http://atheistfoundation.org.au/medi...to-speak-hate/
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I specifically recall being taught in primary school that a Christian should never have to tell people that they are Christian, that it should already be obvious from the way you treat people and the way in which you act. But spending 13 years in the Catholic education system tends to put that into perspective.

Wikipedia describes the Australian Christian Lobby as "a Christian far-right lobbying organisation".
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It is easy to circumvent hate speech as all it takes is imagination and perseverance. I have been doing it for
seven years and now have it down to a tee. So there is no need to suspend any laws. The answer lies within
But in all seriousness you really should not have to be told this. Because you should already know it anyway
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