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[jonBuckner]

Hi,
I'm becoming slightly obsessed with religion. I've had a few discussions with religious people and it always ends up with the person getting REALLY defensive or offensive. I've not heard yet a reasonable answer from any thiest that could change my mind. Checking out YouTube vids, it always seems to me that the rational and reasonable argument always comes from the athiest camp.
Why is this?
Anyway, I'm here to talk about this stuff with you lot and hopefully can learn something along the way.

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[Darwinsbulldog]

Hi Jon, welcome. Briefly, the religious have a huge emotional investment in their beliefs and integrate them into their personalities. Hence the fallacy that an attack on any ideas they may have is an attack on them, which is a fallacy of reasoning.

[BlueDevil]

Welcome jonBuckner. Hope you enjoy the forum.

[rayne]

Originally Posted by Darwinsbulldog

Hi Jon, welcome. Briefly, the religious have a huge emotional investment in their beliefs and integrate them into their personalities. Hence the fallacy that an attack on any ideas they may have is an attack on them, which is a fallacy of reasoning.

You beat me to it

People get defensive because admitting you maybe wrong is hard. People would much rather accept things like government conspiracies and build eleborate fantasises then admit they're wrong.

Religion is the same. People invest their whole lives into their beliefs, it determines their actions and how they live so when the idea is challenged - their life is challenged. In their eyes anyway.

[Mjt]

Hi JB nice to meet you

[Logic please]

Hi jon, welcome to the forum, hope you enjoy the discussions.

[knowledge is power]

Originally Posted by jonBuckner

Checking out YouTube vids, it always seems to me that the rational and reasonable argument always comes from the athiest camp.
Why is this?

Emotion Trumps reason for most theists.
Oh, they'll give it a go but lose out because, well, they're just wrong.

[Darwinsbulldog]

Originally Posted by knowledge is power

Emotion Trumps reason for most theists.
Oh, they'll give it a go but lose out because, well, they're just wrong.

..and they don't seem to realise WHY they are wrong. Oh, hang on, I mean they don't/can't justify their position in terms of how they think their belief is "fact".

[prudie]

Hi Jon

Why are you "obsessed" with religion? Are you a believer trying to find a reason to hang on? Or are you looking for more in your life? What sort of answers are you after? Life the Universe and Everything? Welcome aboard and I hope you find what you are looking for