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[Logic please]

Originally Posted by Let us reason

I was hoping for some respectful discussion on this forum but from what I can see it appears most of you are either unable or unwilling to share your opinions without including unnecessary mocking.

"[M]ost" of you??? Oh well, Thomas Jefferson probably summed it up best:

Originally Posted by Good ol' TJ

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them...

To emphasise - it is your propositions that have been addressed, not you personally.

Originally Posted by Let us reason

It doesn't encourage a person of faith to engage in discussion nor does it do 'your side' any favours.

Interesting. AFAIK, the first person here to make an issue of *sides* in these discussions is... you. You appear to have forgotten, for example, how I asked other members to give you some breathing space and deal with your posts on their merits, and this was readily apologised for, and agreed to. Others have also genuinely engaged your ideas. Doesn't do much for your allegations of widespread mocking and disrepect towards you personally, does it???

Originally Posted by Let us reason

If I said that I find the way you express your opinion to be disrespectful, aggressive and unkind, what do you think about that?

Do you care?

TBH, I'd think that this constitutes a handy excuse to avoid dealing with the content of what's been posted in replies to you. Because you haven't attempted to address anyone's current contributions, even perceived "unobjectionable" ones, have you? Just fobbed them all off wholesale, with a global *tone* complaint.

Originally Posted by Let us reason

You might find the message offensive, which is to be expected however I'm not mocking or being unkind am I?

Exactly what "message" of yours are we expected to be *offended* by, and why?

Originally Posted by Let us reason

How do you justify your behaviour here??

Again, you have put up ideas, which have been tested and found wanting. That's all. No other justification required.

Originally Posted by Let us reason

Thanks for playing.

Hmmm... what game are you playing, exactly?

[Iseeyouthere]

Is it a bad thing that my assumptions in the previous posts about LuR are now true?

Never the less, moving on from that.

Lur, I was greatly saddened to hear how much you degrade yourself... to the point where you have convinced yourself that it is beneficial. As others have said before, the thought of this is depressive and ugly.

And reading the part about your child... I feel sorry for that poor child. Don't explain it too me... like others, I'm not interested in hearing justifcation for treating children badly.

I would ask a few questions myself, but to be fair... you have a truck load already that need answering.

Oh... one more thing... careful where you fling the dirt as you dig your hole.

[Bolero]

Address the content, not the perceived 'tone', or go play your game elsewhere. I for one am perfectly serious when I say you're only talking to yourself when you think you're talking to a god. That's not mocking, that's reality...and I think you know it deep down.


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Originally Posted by Goldenmane

Respectful of what? Of you? Sure. I'm a cunt, but I don't attack people, or even mock them unless they're friends, and you aren't my friend.

Great post, but this opening deserves an award. I don't know what it would be called, but it would be shiny.

[Strato]

Hi again, Let Us Reason,

I read this thread, your Testimony, you're 23, spent some serious time in hedonism. Not that that's not OK by me.You have a husband and an infant son.

Tell me more. Who led you to Jesus? How far did you get in school? Be truthful.

You seem pretty conversant with the basics of born-again christian teachings, and you have the christianese learned well enough. Enough, certainly to convince someone like you yourself were/are still. Sorry. Is that all the education you need? You could be better than that. What have you got with which to intellectually equip your son? Do you have a low view of higher education?

You've been to the christian book and record shop and bought Josh McDowell, The New Evidence That Demands A Verdict, which you're so impressed with, that you wish you could quote whole chapters here.

I'll wait to see if you reply, hoping you don't do a runner from the forum which I know you'd justify under righteous indignation.

Cheers.

[gruber]

since your a christian woman, I am sure you will completely agree with this

11 A woman[a] should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man;[b] she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15 But women[c] will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.

[Logic please]

Originally Posted by riddlemethis

LUR, you haven't been mocked. What you've seen is utter dismay expressed about the hideous, self flagellating guilt trap you're stuck in, based in your inability to accept that being human has its ups & downs. And the view this gives you of your baby's behaviour.

Be clear on this. Your 8 month old does not look at you with hatred, or try anything on! That is your twisted theology projecting malevolence where there is none. It literally warps your perception of your child's behaviour, his motives, his needs & his view of you. He can't speak yet, all he has is his little face & a cry to tell you when he needs something, is uncomfortable, in pain, or just plain frustrated. Please don't teach him to loathe himself the way you clearly loathe yourself. Please don't teach him to waste this life preoccupied with what you think is coming after it. It's disingenuous to teach him this as truth, because it's based purely on faith.

Some relevant further info on cognitive abilities of babies at around this age - LINK:

Originally Posted by WA DoH "child development 6-9 months"

A baby at this stage usually:

looks for a fallen object by seven months
plays ‘peek-a-boo’ games

cannot understand ‘no’ or ‘danger’. (my emphasis)

Originally Posted by WA DoH "child development 6-9 months"

She might say ‘ma-ma-ma’ because she can, rather than because she understands that this sound is a word she can use when she wants her mother. Even though it may still be accidental, these same sounds will be repeated as she works out how to make the noises.

Given these, one might reasonably conclude that nuances and authority implications of something like "don't even try it, little man" would be beyond the comprehension skills of an average eight-month-old.

Originally Posted by WA DoH "child development 6-9 months"

She begins to recognise and identify her own feelings and that they are different. For instance, she may know the difference between feeling hungry and feeling lonely and may be able to give you some clue as to whether she wants food or a cuddle. She knows this because you have helped her to recognise different feelings by responding to her hunger with food and her loneliness with cuddles, etc.

...ie: responding to basic needs-driven stimulii, not by merely telling the child that he or she is hungry / lonely, or what that conceptually means.

Originally Posted by WA DoH "child development 6-9 months"

Just because the mashed pumpkin gets spat out does not necessarily mean he hates it, he just may not yet have got the hang of keeping it inside his mouth and coordinating when to swallow. The different textures feel very strange to him at first.

Yet from a flawed perspective, such an act by a baby could easily be misconstrued as an act of defiance, hatred or malevolence, no?

[Worldslaziestbusker]

This thread is where I will point whenever someone asks what harm religion can do to people other than fundamentalists or terrorists.

[wolty]

My favorite movie of all time WLB.

[Strato]

The christian notion of sin, as doctrine within 'systematic theology,' is expounded in the subject, hamartiology. Hamartia(Gk.) means, "missing the mark." They believe children are infected with the sin nature, 'inherited (inherent) depravity', cursing them with a proclivity to rebellion. The sinner accrues 'acquired depravity,' from misdeeds and bad habits, some more than others, but they're all hellbound nonetheless. Jesus is the Saviour. Simple. Accept the first proposition (assumption), or premise and you're victim to the next. The bad news and then the good news.

Anyway, kids are believed sinful. "Spare the rod and spoil the child" is a paraphrase, from the scriptural counsel on beating the sinfulness out of them. Googling "Christian child discilpline" brings up James Dobson's dogma. He has set himself up as the big authority on child rearing and the family since the late 70's.

Corporal punishment is a bit controversial now, in some circles. But of course it's all about bringing them up in the ways of the Lord. Teach them submission, and inculcate an appreciation of retribution and grace.

Fucking stifling. I just get my kid laughing.