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Old 6th June 2012, 02:09 PM
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Default Political decisions should be made without using religion as a crutch

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What I am suggesting is that we create and support a system where political decisions are made based on arguments that stand on their own merits without a religious crutch. Or, to put it another way, “the Bible tells me so” is off limits as a rationale. But that doesn’t mean what you’re arguing for will have to change!


For example, a commonly argued religiously-slanted issue right now is marriage equality (and one you don’t have to guess my bias on). Right now, the most compelling argument against marriage equality (or at least the most common) is “marriage is between a man and a woman, because the Bible says so.” Not okay. You can still be opposed to marriage equality, but under the political system I’m suggesting politicians would have to debate it with secular reasoning that can appeal to people of all belief systems (you know, like the members of their constituency they are supposed to be representing). A common, secular argument against marriage equality is the “same-sex parents are unhealthy for kids” one. Fair enough. Let’s debate that. That’s something we can all agree is important, and something that can be approached with research and logic to find a solution that’s best for the country as a whole.
Removing the religious crutch in political debates and discussions will do a number of helpful things:
  1. It will create a common denominator. Many issues are so religiously loaded that it’s near-impossible for people of varying faiths to discuss them without the “discussion” turning into a “whose belief system is better” pissing contest. Let’s yell at each other about the issues at hand instead.
  2. It will cause people on all sides to think about the issues critically. Whether you know what is right because of your religion, or you know it’s wrong because a particular religion shouldn’t matter, knowing is the problem. In order to have an actual debate to figure out what’s right, people need to know a bit less and be willing to wonder and examine a bit more.
  3. It will turn down the heat. I was always taught that it’s impolite to discuss religion or politics at a dinner party. Why is it that we think it’s helpful to merge the two into one supercharged, emotionally-unstable, multi-headed media monstrosity? If we can separate the two concepts, at least in discourse, it’ll help — at least we’ll only be pushing one hot-button at a time.
Removing the religious crutch in political debates and discussions will also not do a number of things (consider this my pre-defense to the comments/emails I know I’m going to get):
  1. It will NOT create an immoral, Ayn Randian, dystopic society. In fact, I would argue it will help prevent us from this. Removing religion from political discourse doesn’t remove morality or value-based decision-making.
  2. It will NOT lead to persecution of Christians. Unless you’re one of those who already think this is happening, in which case read this.
  3. It will NOT slippery slope now we’re marrying toasters and we elected a game of Hungry Hungry Hippos to office and other similar nonsense. Seriously, the “slippery slope Hungry Hungry Hippos” argument is so lazy.
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Old 6th June 2012, 02:30 PM
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Default Re: Political decisions should be made without using religion as a crutch

1 and 2 are the reasons why religion is in politics. 3 should be irrelevant amongst adults.
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Old 7th June 2012, 08:19 PM
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Default Re: Political decisions should be made without using religion as a crutch

That's a description of state secularism. Yes, that's what we should have.
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Old 8th June 2012, 11:24 AM
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Yeah for sure, but the reason why religious people impose their views in politics is because their belief is so strong and they don't think critically. So the arguments stated won't convince the people at all. It's like saying that people who have a biased self interest in the outcome of a court case shouldn't be part of the discussion about it. It sounds good on paper, but try telling the family of a murder victim that their opinion that the sentence is too light is biased. Likewise try telling a person with a strong religious belief that life begins at conception that their opinions on abortion shouldn't be part of the discussion (I'm aware that these aren't moral equivalents).
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Old 9th June 2012, 02:02 AM
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Kick out the crutch and you'll find out that they aren't lame.
They are just using it as an excuse for benefits.

And the crutches can go to someone who actually needs them.

Its like watching a dude in a fancy car double park in the disabled parking spot and claim it because he has a "sore leg".
Then watch him chase his car down the road, running like Roadrunner as it is towed away to be cubed.
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