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#251
5th March 2012, 10:41 PM
 thinkngal Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 29
Re: Knock Here For Jehovah's Witnesses - All-purpose JW thread.

I haven't heard of this but I used to live in Adelaide. Interesting...there's more to this than meets the eye I'd say.
#252
4th April 2012, 04:46 PM
 Xeno Extant Join Date: May 2010 Location: Altitude 700 m Posts: 8,551
Re: Knock Here For Jehovah's Witnesses - All-purpose JW thread.

Abbreviated version of this morning's conversation.

JW: [handing over paper flyer] We are just inviting people to a meeting tomorrow night, where we will answer that question on the front.
X: Aren't you the people who are are involved in biblical prophecy?
JW: Yes.
X: Doesn't Micah 5:1-5 prophesy the coming of the Messiah?
JW [looking up Micah] Yes. [finds the passage]
X: What about verse 6? When will that happen?
X: When is Jesus returning with seven shepherds and eight principal men to lay waste to Assyria with the sword? Why would he bother?
JW: [JW2 in background suppresses slight mirth. JW1 changes subject]

Using Finkelstein and Ehrman as sources, I pointed out that the Jews considered the Pentateuch a fabrication historically, that the gospels were written after the fact by non-eyewitnesses and the gospel writers had four versions of terrible events (I detailed them) on the death of christ, not one of which events was recorded by anyone else. I submitted that The Iliad, for which they found Troy, was a more reliable record.

The dropped quickly into faith alone. I said I did not do that. JW2 said that important things were coming. I said "coffee, I need to make it" and we parted cordially.
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#253
5th April 2012, 01:10 AM
 thinkngal Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 29
Re: Knock Here For Jehovah's Witnesses - All-purpose JW thread.

I bow to your (a) knowledge (b) ability to keep calm in the face of stupidity (c) your sense of humour
As an ex JW with lots of axes to grind with them I would (a) go blank with rage (b) lose the plot (c) seriously undermine myself - in their eyes - by belittling the Watch Tower Society in as sarcastic a manner as possible thereby losing all chance of gaining a listening ear

so....better you talked to them than me
#254
11th April 2012, 10:55 PM
 Meissner Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Perth W.A. Posts: 229
Re: Knock Here For Jehovah's Witnesses - All-purpose JW thread.

Stirling effort Xeno, I have much to learn it seems
#255
29th April 2012, 01:53 PM
 roscoe Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 5
Re: Knock Here For Jehovah's Witnesses - All-purpose JW thread.

Havent read all the thread but so far Ive seen no mention of the child abuse scandals rocking the WT around the world, including Australia. Figures like 25,000 incidents worldwide have been proposed, many hidden from police until the victims come forward. Lots of expensive compensation paid to some abused. http://www.surfcanyon.com/search?f=sl&q=Silent%20Lambs&partner=wtiffeua has been a leading light in exposing the corruption within the sect.

http://www.silentlambs.org/

#256
30th April 2012, 03:37 PM
 AFA Admin Administrator Moderator Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Atheist Central Posts: 1,257
Re: Knock Here For Jehovah's Witnesses - All-purpose JW thread.

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#257
30th April 2012, 10:55 PM
 Logic please Wonder if the beer tastes as good? Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Melb (capital of The Nanny State!!!) Posts: 16,206
Re: Knock Here For Jehovah's Witnesses - All-purpose JW thread.

Hi roscoe, welcome to the forum. It would've been nice for you to stay around to discuss the matters raised in your post. That tends to dispel any potential accusations of link-dropping, y'see.

You may have noticed from the links in your Welcome Post above, that we're rather big on people evidencing their claims and providing context and explanations for them, here. Would you care to do so?
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#258
1st May 2012, 08:14 AM
 roscoe Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 5
Re: Knock Here For Jehovah's Witnesses - All-purpose JW thread.

Hi, Logic, just received notice of my membership so, no, I`m not dodging any challenge. The link to Silent Lambs contains a large number of references to newspapers running details of trials across at least three continents. Where would you like to start? Australia?
#259
5th May 2012, 09:40 AM
 robertkd Socialists ARE NOT Communists Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Rockhampton Posts: 4,758
Re: Knock Here For Jehovah's Witnesses - All-purpose JW thread.

There here, just parked across the road in a Suburban (civi troop carrier it seems!) looks like they can pack about four groups into a Suburban.

Made coffee in Darwin fish brazened mug now waiting for the inevitable knock on the door,..
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#260
5th May 2012, 10:44 AM
 Logic please Wonder if the beer tastes as good? Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Melb (capital of The Nanny State!!!) Posts: 16,206

@rkd: heh, sounds like they're wheeling out their Urban Assault Vehicle, for a full-on attack the citadels of the heathens... or somesuch bollox.

You have some fun, and please let us know how it goes.
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