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#1
20th April 2012, 10:46 PM
 Makeen Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 36
Using simple logic to prove the presence of God

a - When we discover something true, we have discovered truth
b - For truth to be discovered, it must exist.
c - Truth therefore exists before it is discovered
d - Truth that exists before it is discovered is truth that has been applied
e - Truth that is applied is known

Argument 1: "I don't agree that for truth to be discovered it must exist".

Answer: How can you deny such simple logic? If there is an Island and I discover it, the Island had to be there before I discover it

Argument 2: "Can you please elaborate on what you mean by Truth that exists before it is discovered has been applied. I don't agree with that and it doesn't make sense to me for me to agree with it"

Answer: Let us refer to the simple truth, "Fire burns". If that simple truth has not been applied then why does fire burn? Why does that truth apply?
#2
20th April 2012, 11:11 PM
 dilbadoon Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 1,668
Re: Using simple logic to prove the presence of God

Where are you going with this?
#3
20th April 2012, 11:17 PM
 BlueDevil Explorer of Inner Space Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Melbourne Posts: 2,697
Re: Using simple logic to prove the presence of God

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 Makeen said a - When we discover something true, we have discovered truth b - For truth to be discovered, it must exist. c - Truth therefore exists before it is discovered d - Truth that exists before it is discovered is truth that has been applied e - Truth that is applied is known Argument 1: "I don't agree that for truth to be discovered it must exist". Answer: How can you deny such simple logic? If there is an Island and I discover it, the Island had to be there before I discover it Argument 2: "Can you please elaborate on what you mean by Truth that exists before it is discovered has been applied. I don't agree with that and it doesn't make sense to me for me to agree with it" Answer: Let us refer to the simple truth, "Fire burns". If that simple truth has not been applied then why does fire burn? Why does that truth apply?
So what was your evidence that god exists?

Convoluted semantics and pure nonsence isn't generally regarded as evidence.

And exactly which god do think you have evidence for? I am guessing Thor but need you to clarify.
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Last edited by BlueDevil; 20th April 2012 at 11:18 PM.
#4
20th April 2012, 11:23 PM
 Makeen Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 36
Re: Using simple logic to prove the presence of God

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 BlueDevil said So what was your evidence that god exists? Convoluted semantics and pure nonsence isn't generally regarded as evidence. And exactly which god do think you have evidence for? I am guessing Thor but need you to clarify.
Lets stay on topic, is there any Atheist who can refute my above statements?

Regarding which God I believe in, my answer is this, I believe in One God, to whom the most beautiful names belong. It not being bound by space-time
#5
20th April 2012, 11:26 PM
 Sir Patrick Crocodile - Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 12,367
Re: Using simple logic to prove the presence of God

Why only one god? Even if there was a god, or gods, why only one?
#6
20th April 2012, 11:30 PM
 dilbadoon Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 1,668
Re: Using simple logic to prove the presence of God

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 Makeen said Lets stay on topic, is there any Atheist who can refute my above statements? Regarding which God I believe in, my answer is this, I believe in One God, to whom the most beautiful names belong. It not being bound by space-time
Can you explain it in a much simpler way, I really am having a hard time understanding your OP.

On a lighter note, he must be a lovely god since he gets a capitalised One.
#7
20th April 2012, 11:31 PM
 BlueDevil Explorer of Inner Space Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Melbourne Posts: 2,697
Re: Using simple logic to prove the presence of God

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 Makeen said a - When we discover complete crap, we have discovered crap b - For crap to be discovered, it must exist. c - Crap therefore exists before it is discovered d - Crap that exists before it is discovered is crap that has been applied e - Crap that is applied is known Argument 1: "I don't agree that for truth to be discovered it must exist". WTF! Answer: How can you deny such simple logic? If there is an Island and I discover it, the Island had to be there before I discover it Argument 2: "Can you please elaborate on what you mean by Truth that exists before it is discovered has been applied. I don't agree with that and it doesn't make sense to me for me to agree with it" Answer: Let us refer to the simple truth, "Fire burns". If that simple truth has not been applied then why does fire burn? Why does that truth apply?
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 Makeen said Lets stay on topic, is there any Atheist who can refute my above statements?
I made some slight changes for you

Quote:
 Regarding which God I believe in, my answer is this, I believe in One God, to whom the most beautiful names belong. It not being bound by space-time
Ah, of course. Pikkiwoki.
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Last edited by The Irreverent Mr Black; 20th April 2012 at 11:46 PM. Reason: quote mended
#8
20th April 2012, 11:37 PM
 Makeen Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 36
Re: Using simple logic to prove the presence of God

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 dilbadoon said Can you explain it in a much simpler way, I really am having a hard time understanding your OP. On a lighter note, he must be a lovely god since he gets a capitalised One.
Allow me to make it a bit more simple by stating a conclusion based on the above statements:

(f) conclusion: If truth exists before it is discovered, if it is discovered that is, then who is that truth known by? especially if that truth has been applied, applies and is therefore known?
#9
20th April 2012, 11:38 PM
 Makeen Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 36
Re: Using simple logic to prove the presence of God

[quote=BlueDevil;293655]
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 Makeen said Lets stay on topic, is there any Atheist who can refute my above statements?/quote] I made some slight changes for you Ah, of course. Pikkiwoki.
This is the kind of response I expected. Instead of attempting to refute me (which I challenge you all to), you resort to a poor sense of humour. But thanks for your response anyway, it's reassuring to know you had nothing better to say in response to what I posted.
#10
20th April 2012, 11:40 PM
 BlueDevil Explorer of Inner Space Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Melbourne Posts: 2,697
Re: Using simple logic to prove the presence of God

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 Makeen said Allow me to make it a bit more simple by stating a conclusion based on the above statements: (f) conclusion: If truth exists before it is discovered, if it is discovered that is, then who is that truth known by? especially if that truth has been applied, applies and is therefore known?
Wow. That is an incredibly convincing proof of the existence of god. I will instantly throw away my 40 years of atheism and bow down before the almighty. In fact when this hits the media the whole world will be instantly convinced.

Yeah...right!
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