Non-Locality

[mackroyal]

What makes me faithful is success. Forget about prayer. What really improves the quality of my life is having met the right partner.

I am actually one of the luckiest people on this planet.

During my darkest time in Canberra, I would record music off of the radio as a pastime. I was really partial to hits of the 20's and 30's, but one song I liked from the disco era was "Send Me an Angel" by Real Life. I ended up listening to that one a lot because I was alone in the world and very unhappy about it. It became an anthem, a prayer...

After seven years without a girlfriend of any kind I thought my love life was over. I was 55 years old. I had given up almost.

So, I'm back in Austin, Texas after many adventures, all alone. I decided one night to go to a particular bar/dance venue that used to be a gay bar many years ago when I was still drinking. I had known the owners. I put on my sport coat with the leather elbow patches, Bass Weejun loafers, and a Dr. Grabow in my coat pocket. I danced a few numbers by myself, up and down the stairs, bouncing off of walls very dramatically. The local police made a walk-through, as they are wont to do, and one remarked to the other rather loudly as if I was not there, "speed". Nope. It was the Dr. Grabow in my pocket. I was practically out of my body like some whirling dervish when "Send Me an Angel" came on the speaker system. With all of my being I danced and twirled and reached ecstacy, then I left the building and rode my bike home.

The next day I met my future wife. This was ten years ago. Was I praying, meditating, out of my mind with need and desire, or what?
No, I was just dancing.

The angel was sent. It had nothing to do with church or religion. It was a wonderful coincidence, but to me it was magic, cosmic, mysterious and wonderful.

Who can fault me for praying that my needs be fulfilled? Who can fault me for shouting my thanks to the Universe?

Bah, humbug? No way.

[Iseeyouthere]

Mack, did you copy/paste that last post from somewhere?

[mackroyal]

Originally Posted by Iseeyouthere

Mack, did you copy/paste that last post from somewhere?

No, Iseeyouthere, I write these things for the first time here. If it's something I've already written, it will be one of those forbidden links.

Mr. Black, I understand about facts, but even almighty Science gets extremely esoteric on the cutting edge. The word "fact" is simply not applicable in this area until the experimental data is accepted by the scientific community, the same result can be repeated many times, and the result finally gains acceptance as a fact.

I started this discussion with a rather cutting edge concept, quantum non-locality. I am saying that if this is not some sort of chimera, then the conclusion must be that there exists instantaneous action at a distance, violating the speed of light "fact". This is the way science and facts move forward. The facts change with new knowledge.

People did not always accept the fact that our planet revolves around the sun. We are in a similar situation, there is no doubt. We do not know everything. Many of our "facts" are simply mistaken beliefs. This is where science becomes religion. There is a lot taken on faith. As an aside, I don't defend pure religions and their fairy stories and I find churches full of baloney. I am talking about pure science (as pure as it gets, anyway..).

All I am saying is that somewhere in the future (where I live) it may become a scientific fact that the universe is conscious (based on almost bleeding edge science).

So, if the universe is conscious, and we are (obviously) part of the universe, then we are also in instantaneous communication with the entire universe on a very subtle level. This scientific speculation allows for something akin to prayer to be a functional part of our existence.
If we are conscious and the universe is conscious, why not? Call it communication, if you like.

There are simply too many things in life that facts will not cover. Mystery is a fact of life. We simply don't know everything. That is why research starts with a hypothesis!

Mine is simply a scientific inquiry into the nature of our existence. This is what I am passionate about. Are atheists devoid of passion? I hope not.

[Iseeyouthere]

Originally Posted by mackroyal

No, Iseeyouthere, I write these things for the first time here. If it's something I've already written, it will be one of those forbidden links.

Just asking because it was a sudden change of text.

[Inedifix]

Originally Posted by mackroyal

I started this discussion with a rather cutting edge concept, quantum non-locality. I am saying that if this is not some sort of chimera, then the conclusion must be that there exists instantaneous action at a distance, violating the speed of light "fact". This is the way science and facts move forward. The facts change with new knowledge.

Discovering the 'fact' of quantum non-locality is one thing. Understanding how it occurs is quite another. I'm no physicist, but I'm pretty sure QM has yet to solve the question of 'how' non-locality occurs. Such is the case with a lot of quantum weirdness.

The thing is mackroyal - it's a huge, huge leap from the fact of quantum non-locality to the supposition that every part of the universe is in "conscious instantaneous communication" with itself.

It's then another big leap to:

Originally Posted by mackroyal

"This scientific speculation allows for something akin to prayer to be a functional part of our existence.

If this were true, prayer would be no more nor less a "functional part of our existence" than farting. Since any given fart - by your thinking - would be in conscious communion with every particle everywhere in universe. I guess this would mean I'd get some kind of cosmic feedback for my farts

[gruber]

So, let me ask this: Where do you find your magic?

World of Warcraft

What is your inspiration?

Not starving to death.

Do you have some rituals that calm you or help you?

Waiting usualy works


Did i win the prize

[Darwinsbulldog]

Science isn't about understanding, although it is a quest to understand. No, science is about models, and how well those models fit with the data. An explanation in science is about consistency of models and data.
Sure, it is great when things are explained, but good science can be without explanation, and totally counter-intuitive. Like some aspects of quantum physics.

In biology for example, theory should be consistent with physio-chemical principles, but does not have to reduce to those principles. This is because new properties emerge from simple systems that combine into more complex ones.
However, a higher level discipline may exist independently of a lower level one. For example, something in psychology does not have to have reduce to a biological system.

Often, what appears to be a violation of a physical law is really not, like the classical error made by creationists that life violates the second law of thermodynamics. It does not.

[mackroyal]

Entropy isn't what it used to be. Cheers

[Seamus]

Originally Posted by The Irreverent Mr Black

Neither is nostalgia.

It never was.