Please present a compelling explanation why naturalism is true

[Logic please]

Originally Posted by jireh

God is not binded to the command : you shall not kill. He is the creator of all life, and he can choose to let someone live, or not.

Originally Posted by Logic please

So, you admit that your god provides no moral example to humans at all? Especially given the biblical claim that man was made in god's image?

Originally Posted by jireh

The example we have from God is the life of Jesus Christ. Have you seen Jesus go around, and kill people around him ? Furthermore : God is the AUTHOR of life. He has the right to give, and do take life.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Au contraire, jireh. You can't claim a different moral example from jeebus, rather than god. Because under the doctrine of trinity, they are considered as one and the same:

Originally Posted by Trinity wiki

The doctrine of the Trinity defines God as three divine persons (Greek: ὑποστάσεις):[1] the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit. The three persons are distinct yet coexist in unity, and are co-equal, co-eternal and consubstantial (Greek: ὁμοούσιοι). Put another way, the three persons of the Trinity are of one being

As a follower, you are aware of this doctrine, aren't you???

Basically, because of it, if your god provides no moral example or leadership, because it doesn't follow its own commands, then neither can jeebus. Unless, of course, you wish to now claim that jeebus contradicts your god, in this matter?

And I repeat: you just said that your god isn't subject to, and doesn't follow, its own moral commands. No different to your average despot, is it? Do as I say, don't do as I do.

So, I reiterate: are you admitting that your god, and all of its appendages, is in no position to provide moral example or leadership to humans, despite them allegedly being created in its own image?

[loubert]

Jireh, got any evidence for this irreducible complexity? What's next? specified complexity?

[Loki]

Originally Posted by Victor Stenger

The fine-tuning argument would tell us that the Sun radiates light so that we can see
where we are going. In fact, the human eye evolved to be sensitive to light from the sun. The
universe is not fine-tuned for humanity. Humanity is fine-tuned to the universe.

and here's a link to a well written and accessible article on the very subject for jireh to ignore.

Mind you, jireh is well aware of the work showing that the universal constants can vary quite considerably, even to the extent of removing the weak electromagnetic force altogether and still result in a universe capable of producing suns and higher elements and therefore life. He's had it pointed out to him on numerous occasions.

[Atrax Robustus]

Originally Posted by jireh

lets have a closer look at the rebate given at the website then.

You should have done so then. It's apparent that you didn't have a closer look.

Originally Posted by jireh

our goal is not to prove, <snip>

A truer word you have not provided jireh. You and the public faces of the ID and Creationist lies for god campaign have never proven a single iota of what you are asserting. All you are capable of saying is goddidit disguised in pseudo-scientific bullshit.

Originally Posted by jireh

Why not ??????????????????????????????

Because it's not fucking evidence!

Originally Posted by jireh

What ????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!! in what sense shall that be a answer ??

You really have no idea what he is talking about do you?

Originally Posted by jireh

should i go really further ????

Oh, by all means --- keep digging!

[jireh]

Originally Posted by Sieveboy

Gods (Yahew) call to kill the canaanites is still biblically mandated genocide Jireh, your god, passing her dirty work to humans. You accept that when you accept jebus. Like it or fucking whinge about it. It is still your god.

I have already explained the reasons why God commanded the jews to kill the canaanites......

[jireh]

Originally Posted by loubert

Huh???? I think you're putting the cart before the horse there buddy.
Not all planets are capable of carbon based life. And what physical obligation? They (planets) are just that, planets. They have no obligation, just like our own earth has no "obligation"...

it seems you did not understand my rebuttal. If there were physical need the constants to be set to create life, then there would be simply life on all imaginable planets, since the physical constants would all be set to permit life. Obviously that is not the case, therefore the objections of infidels is nonsense.

[jireh]

Originally Posted by loubert

Bloody hell. Nice straw man. I wasn't saying I believed those numbers you quoted, I was pointing out that IT ISN'T ZERO, therefore there is still a posibility.

as said, if you believe chance is a good explanation for our existence, then go ahead. amazing faith you have in chance.....

[jireh]

Originally Posted by The Irreverent Mr Black

Now Xeno used "ethnic cleansing", (and it is a term I avoid, having the attribution of conferring inferiority or dirtiness upon the victims: a weasel-word trick like "final solution"), and I used "genocide".

It was about the extermination of a people, however you choose to describe it. An entire ethnic group. On your god's despicable instructions.

yes, correct. But it was not done because they were canaanites, but because of their sins.

[Sieveboy]

Originally Posted by jireh

I have already explained the reasons why God commanded the jews to kill the canaanites......

I really do not care Jireh, your monsterous, yet piss weak god can blow me before I will accept It's existence. You on the other hand accept her and appear to want to emulate her or at least, blindly follow her down the Anders Breiverik path. I choose to be better.

[jireh]

Originally Posted by Logic please

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Au contraire, jireh. You can't claim a different moral example from jeebus, rather than god. Because under the doctrine of trinity, they are considered as one and the same:

As a follower, you are aware of this doctrine, aren't you???

Basically, because of it, if your god provides no moral example or leadership, because it doesn't follow its own commands, then neither can jeebus. Unless, of course, you wish to now claim that jeebus contradicts your god, in this matter?

And I repeat: you just said that your god isn't subject to, and doesn't follow, its own moral commands. No different to your average despot, is it? Do as I say, don't do as I do.

So, I reiterate: are you admitting that your god, and all of its appendages, is in no position to provide moral example or leadership to humans, despite them allegedly being created in its own image?

i guess its easyer if you want to understand my position , to read Craigs answer to your point entirely.

http://www.reasonablefaith.org/site/...rticle&id=5767