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    I'm not prone to violence but my TV very nearly got destroyed last night when I saw that pathetic excuse for a human being - Fred Nile - on the ABC news. I almost wanted to punch him in the face and tell him to stop being such an a-hole.

    He, basically, has threatened to bribe the government (by assisting or not a bill that affects thousands of public servants) if they don't stop the ethics classes.

    Fred Nile could obviously do with attending a few ethics classes himself.

    Christians - lying for jesus is fine, now bribery for jesus is fine. Is there nothing they aren't prepared to do for their ridiculous faith?

    Getting down off my soap box, taking a bex and having a good lie down...
    You are correct, Fred Nile, that lover of porn (I was only following up on the sex party!) Is just another corrupt NSW politician. Happy to screw us over for his own agenda.
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    Quote OzAtheist said View Post
    He, basically, has threatened to bribe the government

    Christians - lying for jesus is fine, now bribery for jesus is fine. Is there nothing they aren't prepared to do for their ridiculous faith?
    To be clear, this is not bribery (to offer money for corrupt services), it is extortion (to seek benefit by threat or force).
    There are no good arguments for gods.

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    Quote Xeno said View Post
    To be clear, this is not bribery (to offer money for corrupt services), it is extortion (to seek benefit by threat or force).
    Why are there so many pedants on this forum? (but you are right)
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    I was not meaning to be pedantic (this time ) OzA, but to emphasise the barren field that is Nile's crop of ethics.

    Anyway, I corrected my wife on exactly the same thing when she heard the news
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    I object! Fred Niles is not now and has never been a tool;I can think of several uses for a tool.

    Fred is now and has always been a cunt full of cold water.


    The really scary thing is that thousands of people keep voting for him.

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    Quote Seamus said View Post
    I object! Fred Niles is not now and has never been a tool;I can think of several uses for a tool.

    Fred is now and has always been a cunt full of cold water.


    The really scary thing is that thousands of people keep voting for him.
    In the last state election, the CDP group got about 127,000 votes (which is about 127,000 too many in my book). This is short of a quota by roughly 58,000 votes. Those extra votes would have been picked up in Liberal/National and Family First preferences.

    If the Libs want to bitch about him holding the balance of power, they only need to look their own way to find out who put the pricks into power.

    I also suspect that a lot of people vote for him, simply because he has the word "christian" in his party name. Too often, people don't think when they step into a polling booth and make the decision based on how they have always voted, or by which party they like the name of.

    I don't pretend to be a perfect voter, but I would like to think that I make an informed decision.

    As I have said to others I would prefer you to vote against me with reason, than vote with me for no reason.

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    Default Re: Coalition Folds In On Ethics Classes.

    Nile won't let it go, at least Natahn Rees showed some spine.

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    Nile ties his vote to change in ethics class timetable

    ETHICS classes in schools would be rescheduled so they did not compete with special religious education classes under a deal the Christian Democratic Party MP, Fred Nile, says he is confident of striking with the Premier.
    But supporters of the classes have branded any such change a ''sleight of hand'' that would undermine the reason for their creation.
    Mr Nile, whose party shares the balance of power in the upper house, has threatened to use his vote to ''torpedo'' key parts of the O'Farrell government's legislative agenda, including its overhaul of public sector wages, if it does not consider removing the classes from schools.
    The classes were introduced into primary schools this year as an alternative to special religious education, or scripture, but are opposed by some church groups, who claim they disadvantage scripture students as they are held simultaneously.
    Under the former education department policy, students who did not attend special religious education classes were left to read or watch videos.
    Mr Nile told the Herald that he discussed the issue with ''senior government representatives'' yesterday and was ''offered'' a meeting with Barry O'Farrell after he returns from China at the end of this week.
    He said he would ask the Premier for a commitment that the classes would not continue next year but failing that would be ''happy for them to be held at any time except in competition with scripture''.
    Mr Nile said he emerged from the discussions ''confident'' of reaching an agreement. ''There are some signals I have received today,'' he said, but would not elaborate.
    Dr Simon Longstaff, the executive director of the St James Ethics Centre, which provides course material for the classes, criticised the proposal as ''a sleight of hand'' that would undermine the reason they were created.
    ''The reason why classes were introduced in the first place was to give [students] who weren't attending special religious education classes something meaningful,'' he said.
    ''Trying to retain ethics classes but at a different time would simply leave those children back in the difficult position that existed before the change.''
    The Greens MP John Kaye said if Mr O'Farrell agreed to the change he would be breaking his election promise not to repeal legislation because the act specifies ethics classes must be offered as an ''alternative'' to scripture.
    The acting Premier, Andrew Stoner, had earlier ruled out removing ethics classes but signalled the government's willingness to negotiate. ''If [Mr Nile] wants to see some improvements to ethics classes we're happy to talk to him about that.'' A spokesman for Mr Stoner said last night that the government would ''not be making any policy changes on the run''. Any changes would need to be considered by cabinet.
    The acting opposition education spokesman, Nathan Rees, said Mr O'Farrell needed to make it clear to the crossbench that ''classrooms of NSW are not a social laboratory for fringe political groups''.
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    I think there is danger here!
    The Parents 4 Ethics web site is suggesting people contact their NSW State member to make their views known. I intend to contact mine today. Ethics classes can make a real contribution to society. The same cannot be claimed of religious indoctrination.
    Ethics classes were offered as an alternative to religious instruction. They should not be rescheduled around the demands of a religious minority.
    Its time for action comrades!

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    Make sure you tell any politician in government or opposition. We don't want people horsetrading ethics away to get support on a different bill.

    [edit]I forgot to put ethics classes, and I was going to fix it. You know what? I think its better the way I wrote it.[/edit]
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    The vote for the bill is on Aug 2nd. That's only a few days off. Time for a concerted email campaign. Facebook, twitter, whatever works.
    "History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government".
    -Thomas Jefferson

    Burden of proof is the obligation on somebody presenting a claim to provide evidence to support its truth (a warrant). Once evidence has been presented, it is up to any opposing "side" to show the evidence presented is not adequate. If claims were accepted without warrants, then every claim could simultaneously be claimed to be true.

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