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    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politi...0180213-p4z05f

    was I right or was I right in my submission?

    I wonder if I can now claim the title of 'prophet'? I think I can, so I am off to work on a miracle. won't take me long and then I will be ready to recruit followers. any takers?
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    Rodney Croome in the Guardian.

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    Another serious concern is the inquiry’s lack of transparency and its alleged bias.

    Contrary to the convention with parliamentary inquiries, the Ruddock inquiry is conducting hearings in secret, denying equality advocates the opportunity to address the myth-making of the “religious freedom” lobby.

    The allegation of bias comes from pro-equality witness, Suzanne Eastwood, who said of her hearing:

    “There was no question that any type of discrimination would be reduced. It was more along the lines of, ‘how will discrimination be even more entrenched than it is now?’”

    The panel should have an LGBTI member and the PM should step in to ensure it is transparent and fair.

    Just as bad as the inquiry’s flaws is the lacklustre response to the “religious freedom” narrative from some LGBTI community leaders and our natural allies. The Equality Campaign has done too little to generate the public awareness and letter-writing campaign needed to counter the flood of submissions generated by the Australian Christian Lobby.
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    Pro Bono Australia - Calls to Remove ‘Blanket Religious Exemptions’ for Faith-Based Charities

    The Human Rights Law Centre (HRLC) and Justice Connect’s (JC) Not-for-profit Law Service both recently made submissions to a religious freedom inquiry, led by former Liberal MP Philip Ruddock.

    The review was announced in November last year, in wake of concerns raised by church leaders across Australia that religious freedom was under threat due to the legislation of same-sex marriage.

    HRLC’s submission recommended that: “Existing exemptions that allow religious organisations to discriminate in the provision of facilities, goods and services [and employment] should be repealed and replaced with a general limitations clause”.
    The submission from JC’s Not-for-profit Law Service looked at “the extent to which religious bodies should be able to discriminate”, and endorsed HRLC’s recommendations to repeal the blanket religious exemptions.
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    I find myself wondering why any charity should have a tax exemption. The reality is aid from charities mask the suffering and causes that to raise the need for a hand out. It must also be remembered charities do this with discretionary spending donations which dry up when attention shifts.....leaving those dependent on charity worse off at a time when money is needed elsewhere.

    Surely the logic is that it is best to leave suffering to be fixed by governments not by charity so they will actually fix the problem rather than treat the symptoms.

    It pisses me off that food aid always includes baby formula to save the children. Yet charities never hand out contraception at the same time even though they know lactating woman do not fall pregnant. So by giving baby formula they cause a spike in population growth which perpetuates more suffering.....a real religious solution in that, on the surface they can pretend to be good while actually enjoying perpetuating suffering.....

    I say ban all charities and make governments fore fill their obligations.....you only need to look close at that Sister Tresa Charity to see how utterly evil it all is while being a income stream for the Vatican. (She never used one of her clinics when she got sick herself, and they never had a single referral of any patient to be treated elsewhere, making them murdering thugs in my mind).
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    Quote equalism 42 said
    I find myself wondering why any charity should have a tax exemption. The reality is aid from charities mask the suffering and causes that to raise the need for a hand out. It must also be remembered charities do this with discretionary spending donations which dry up when attention shifts.....leaving those dependent on charity worse off at a time when money is needed elsewhere
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    A curly one indeed: What About Indigenous Religion?

    In his submission to the review, the expert on Aboriginal heritage protection said Indigenous Australians were not fully protected by the law to practice their religious beliefs.

    "Aboriginal religious or spiritual beliefs commonly require that particular knowledge be restricted to certain individuals or groups and not to be further disclosed," Mr Willheim said.

    "Yet the statutory procedures for obtaining protection ... require full disclosure of the details of secret knowledge or beliefs to non-Aboriginal decision makers and to the opponents of protection.

    "Disclosure of secret knowledge or beliefs through a public inquiry process destroys the values Aboriginal people seek to protect."

    The academic said current laws enacted to protected the religious beliefs of Aboriginals have failed to achieve their purpose.

    Mr Willheim said there was a "collision" of the core values of Aboriginal religious practices and the Australian legal system.

    "The Australian legal system establishes a non-Aboriginal process for the authentication of Aboriginal religious belief," he said.

    "That in itself is inherently offensive to Aboriginal people."

    A key part of Mr Willheim's submission noted secrecy was an essential part of Aboriginal religious beliefs, with elders guarding knowledge and passing it on selectively to the next generation.

    According to the ANU visiting fellow, Indigenous people would have to break these traditions if they were required in a legal setting.
    And there's the matter of a little bit of respect from those of other beliefs.
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    A curly one indeed: What About Indigenous Religion?

    In his submission to the review, the expert on Aboriginal heritage protection said Indigenous Australians were not fully protected by the law to practice their religious beliefs.

    "Aboriginal religious or spiritual beliefs commonly require that particular knowledge be restricted to certain individuals or groups and not to be further disclosed," Mr Willheim said.

    "Yet the statutory procedures for obtaining protection ... require full disclosure of the details of secret knowledge or beliefs to non-Aboriginal decision makers and to the opponents of protection.

    "Disclosure of secret knowledge or beliefs through a public inquiry process destroys the values Aboriginal people seek to protect."

    The academic said current laws enacted to protected the religious beliefs of Aboriginals have failed to achieve their purpose.

    Mr Willheim said there was a "collision" of the core values of Aboriginal religious practices and the Australian legal system.

    "The Australian legal system establishes a non-Aboriginal process for the authentication of Aboriginal religious belief," he said.

    "That in itself is inherently offensive to Aboriginal people."

    A key part of Mr Willheim's submission noted secrecy was an essential part of Aboriginal religious beliefs, with elders guarding knowledge and passing it on selectively to the next generation.

    According to the ANU visiting fellow, Indigenous people would have to break these traditions if they were required in a legal setting.
    And there's the matter of a little bit of respect from those of other beliefs.
    Agreed Mr Black, Aboriginal religions deserve the same respect given to all other religions, personally I give all religions no respect whatsoever, but that is just my opinion. If a privilege is granted to one religion it should be applied to them all.
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    @Bruce: All religions are worthy of equal respect.
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