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Thread: The struggles of Middle Eastern Atheists at home and away from home

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    Quote Spearthrower said View Post
    That wasn't China! It was the UK! You must have taken a wrong turning at Albuquerque!
    Nah mate, that was a different type of denim blue in 80s Ingerland.
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    Quote Darwinsbulldog said View Post
    It is not unpleasant to be "more than a naked animal". Not because naked animals are bad, but because we can do a lot of things better than most animals. In such circumstances, reminding ourselves we are just apes can detract from that. But so long as there is no permanent denial of our animal-ness or mortality, no harm is done.
    I think the nudity taboo is really overdone. If someon is nakes in public, it shoudn't be such a huge deal.

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    Quote wolty said View Post
    Cheers.

    Do you put any store into the idea that (some) women will not be allowed to leave the house if a ban is imposed?
    That's a good point. I personally think that the west should first impose such a ban (in the west you can't restrict someone's movement otherwise he/she would face serious legal circumstances)
    Then the ME can later follow. it will take generations for the Middle East to follow but they can get their. Read about Ataturk of Turkey and Abu Rgaibah of Tunisia to see how it is possible to make a place in the Middle East a secular one

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    A big Attaboy to Ataturk.
    But it seems to be going backwards in Turkey.

    I have alternated in reading this thread between the emotions of great hope, and fearful for your safety. But on the whole I am finding great hope.

    How does one change a society? In the tug-of-war for change, there are lot of people pulling in the religious direction.
    The US and Europe seem to also be heading towards fundamentalist driven philosophies. Even Scandinavia seems to be having a bit of a shake-up.

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    Quote Holmz said View Post
    A big Attaboy to Ataturk.
    But it seems to be going backwards in Turkey.

    I have alternated in reading this thread between the emotions of great hope, and fearful for your safety. But on the whole I am finding great hope.

    How does one change a society? In the tug-of-war for change, there are lot of people pulling in the religious direction.
    The US and Europe seem to also be heading towards fundamentalist driven philosophies. Even Scandinavia seems to be having a bit of a shake-up.
    Religious but also racist, bigoted and fear driven. Fairly well resourced communication systems are feeding constant propaganda to the hate enclaves and even when they lie outrageously there seems to be no way to get that fact in front of the people that need to know it.
    "History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government".
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    History isn't written by the victors. It's written by the people with the time machines.

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