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    Remington files for bankruptcy

    The firm, founded more than 200 years ago, filed for bankruptcy protection to cut a deal with its creditors.

    Remington's chief financial officer said the company's sales dropped significantly in the year before its bankruptcy, court papers show.

    The filing comes amid fresh demands for greater gun control in the US.
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    Quote MikeJay said View Post
    Unfortunately, at this stage in US history, if they passed gun control laws and tried to enforce them there really would be blood in the streets for a long time to come, possible even a 2nd civil war. The economy would become massively unstable.
    How exactly would that work?

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    Has anyone else noticed a shit load of gun lobby propaganda on facebook asking to be shared? The usual crap about people kill not guns, who will protect you from the government once they have your guns etc.
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    Quote bruce1937 said View Post
    Has anyone else noticed a shit load of gun lobby propaganda on facebook asking to be shared? The usual crap about people kill not guns, who will protect you from the government once they have your guns etc.

    My chosen response, "People who say "guns don't kill people, people kill people" kill people!"


    The problem with any argument along these lines is that they don't all do it. But the same argument can be used against any rules or laws controlling behaviour. People who want to follow good laws, people who feel morally and ethically obliged to follow laws that are created for the good of society, will follow them. Other people won't.


    For instance why ban drugs? It isn't to stop good law abiding citizens getting hold of them and selling them to children, they aren't going to do that anyway. It's to stop criminals getting hold of them and selling them to children, and they are going to ignore the ban anyway. In other word any method of controlling access to things isn't aimed at most people, but to argue that only bad people shoot other people isn't an argument against gun control, it's simply an argument to abandon any attempt to stop criminals getting hold of guns.
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    Quote bruce1937 said View Post
    Has anyone else noticed a shit load of gun lobby propaganda on facebook asking to be shared? The usual crap about people kill not guns, who will protect you from the government once they have your guns etc.
    It is the one and only thing that I agree with the gun lobby on.

    It is the gun culture that is toxic.

    Here is the Second Amendment:-

    "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

    Numerous Americans including the Supreme Court of the USA. Get this wrong. The writer's intent in the Constitution is quite clear. They could not been any clearer. A WELL REGULATED MILITIA. That means that states and communities could raise part-time militias that are disciplined with the express purpose of defending the state, and hence the people of the US against enemies foreign and domestic. That was what the War Of Independence was all about- for the US people to overthrow colonial rule by Britain, or indeed anybody.

    It takes a particularly perverse mind, especially when reading the whole US Constitution and the history of the USA to interpret that to mean any individual fool with no weapons training, under no local authority, can become a one person and undisciplined militia.

    Indeed, it is the duty of Federal and State authorities to ensure that armed militias [even informal ones] are well regulated. They are not. Cowboy myths, "Frontier Ethics", etc, has perverted the original intent [and even letter] of the Constitution. I am absolutely fucking certain that the Founders absolutely did not mean [often insane, privileged, violent, hoons with guns, blasting away at everyone and anyone.

    But that is how things evolved.

    This is not an argument for the NRA. Indeed, it is the exact opposite. WAY too many guns, in the hands of millions of irresponsible, undisciplined people.

    It is like biblical apologetics in the Bible. The bible clearly states the proper use of slaves, including using violence against them. It DOES NOT SAY slavery is is immoral or wrong or you should not do it. In the same way the 2nd Amendment does not approve of the deregulation of gun use and ownership, or violent yobs having gun fights in the street. It is about the right of the citizenry to come together as an organised and disciplined force to repel enemies of the state.

    a Militia: "a military force that is raised from the civil population to supplement a regular army in an emergency."

    OR

    "a military force that engages in rebel or terrorist activities in opposition to a regular army."

    It is pretty clear what the US Constitution means for "militia", in the first sense, not the second.
    Just stick to the idea that science tests falsifiable hypotheses to destruction.

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    Wonder if there will be video?

    Police were responding on Tuesday to a mass shooter at the headquarters of YouTube in San Bruno, California, officials said.

    Police in the city south of San Francisco warned people in a Twitter message to stay away from the address where YouTube, owned by Alphabet Inc's Google, is based. A police dispatcher said by telephone that it was an "active situation."
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    Suddenly that Republican Jeebus With A Gun cartoon looks a lot less like a toon.

    The San Bernardino Shooter was an outspoken Christian pastor, but most mainstream media accounts ignore this part of the story because it doesn’t fit the established narrative.

    The gunman who walked into a North Park Elementary School classroom of special needs children earlier this week was Cedric Anderson, a 53 year old Christian pastor who made frequent appearances on a local radio program.


    Anderson, a Christian pastor, told school staff he had to drop something off with his estranged wife, Karen Smith, a teacher at the school. Nobody knew that Anderson was packing a .357 handgun.


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    About 10:27 a.m., Anderson walked into Smith’s special education classroom and, without speaking, opened fire, hitting her (Karen Smith) and two students behind her. Anderson then reloaded and shot himself. Smith, 53, died at the scene. Jonathan Martinez, 8, was airlifted to a hospital and died before entering surgery. A 9-year-old boy was in stable condition at Loma Linda Medical Center on Monday evening.
    In addition to frequently preaching the gospel on local radio, Anderson also made appearances at community events in his role as pastor. He was also active on Facebook, and often published posts about his religious beliefs.
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    Guess he missed that bit about thou shalt not kill.
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    Quote bruce1937 said View Post
    Guess he missed that bit about thou shalt not kill.
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    In the interests of accuracy, the NRA and the US gun nuts are right about one thing. "Guns don't kill people, people do". Iceland ranks 12th. in the world for gun ownership. That is actually fucking high, whereas murders in general as rare as hen's teeth. Why is that? Because they have no macho gun culture. Instead the place is run by a bunch of loving Femnazis. And the blokes love it.
    Just stick to the idea that science tests falsifiable hypotheses to destruction.

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