1. ## Re: President Donald Trump

I'll add that I think it's brilliant move by Mueller and/or Rosenstein to have dealt with this outside of Mueller's investigation:

It is likely to operate as a hedge against the utility (from Trump's perspective) firing of Mueller.

For Mueller to refer it meant that he had to have reasonable suspicion of a Federal crime by Trump not related to Russia.

Rosenstein might have authorised Mueller to investigate that alleged crime. Indeed, in the past he did authorise Mueller to investigate alleged money-laundering crimes by Manafort outside of the Russia investigation. Yet, this time, the matter was referred to the FBI proper, external to Mueller's investigation.

The FBI then used two independent teams of lawyers and investigators, which each, separately, formed the same view that Mueller's team had formed: that there were reasonable grounds to suspect the commission of a Federal crime.

By Trump
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And that there were reasonable ground to suspect Cohen was either complicit in the alleged crime and/or could not be relied upon to comply with less invasive measures of investigation.

And a Federal Judge agreed.

That so many wings of the FBI, the US Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York, the Deputy Attorney-General's office, the Justice Department and even the Federal Judiciary are now across this, in the real world is likely to provide a limitation upon the utility (from Trump's perspective) of seeking to fire Mueller.

If the FBI has found materials which are evidence of relevance to Mueller's investigation, they will hand them over to Mueller.

Trump may well still be mad enough to fire Mueller, but that will not end the investigations.

To borrow from the Krugman OP I posted in the new US 2018 election thread - they're building a Rube Goldberg device ...

As the Editorial Board said, "the Law is coming". Or, go, the Deep State!
Last edited by Blue Lightning; 11th April 2018 at 07:25 PM.

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## Re: President Donald Trump

Blue Lightning said
Isn’t the Panda Cute, Mr. Trump?

EDIT - wow, I deleted the link to the image. I didn't appreciate the size of the Times' image. Click above to see.
I can only see it for a second then the paywall comes up.

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stevebrooks said
Blue Lightning said
Isn’t the Panda Cute, Mr. Trump?

EDIT - wow, I deleted the link to the image. I didn't appreciate the size of the Times' image. Click above to see.
I can only see it for a second then the paywall comes up.
Testing...

Pic not immediately guaranteed.

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@Mr B - thanks. I wasn't aware of the [ri] BB code. I used [img] at first and it was huge.

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@BL. The other interesting thing about the Cohen raids is that they were referred on by Mueller, a Repiblican apppintee, to Rosenstein, a Republican appointee, who ran it past a Republican appointed attorney or two and then on to a federal judge, Republican appointee.

Republican appointees at every single step. That will massively peeve the Obama deep-state lock her up alt-right tinfoil-hatter MAGA brigade.

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HappyToast from b3ta.com has this message of hope:

7. ## Re: President Donald Trump

Wow. Says it all, really -

A Congressman's Profanity Laced Tirade in a Safeway Grocery Store
One of the President's congressional defenders has privately decided he hates Trump and wants to unload

...

… He {the The Congressman} is happy to be quoted, so long as I don't name him. He says he just needs to vent. I suggest what we're doing is one of the reason's Trump won -- a congressman says nice things in public and bad things in private.

...

{He replied} "I read you writing about this, about wanting to say nice things when you can and criticize when you need to. He may be an idiot, but he's still the President and leader of my party and he is capable of doing some things right," he says before conceding it's usually other people doing the right things in the President's name. "But dammit he's taking us all down with him. We are well and truly f**ked in November. Kevin [McCarthy] is already circling like a green fly circling sh*t trying to take Paul's [Ryan] job because nobody thinks he's sticking around for Nancy [Pelosi]. She's going to f**k up the cafeteria again too. [Lord's name in vain], at least I'll probably lose too and won't have to put up with that sh*t." He won't lose. His district is very Republican.

What's the problem, though? Well, get ready…

"It's like Forrest Gump won the presidency, but an evil, really f*cking stupid Forrest Gump. He can't help himself. He's just a f**king idiot who thinks he's winning when people are b*tching about him. He really does see the world as ratings and attention. I hate Forrest Gump. I listen to your podcast and heard you hate it too. What an overrated piece of sh*t movie ... "

"Judiciary {Committee of the House} is stacked with a bunch of people who can win re-election so long as they don't piss off Trump voters in the primary. But if we get to summer and most of the primaries are over, they just might pull the trigger if the President fires Mueller. The sh*t will hit the fan if that happens and I'd vote to impeach him myself. Most of us would, I think. Hell, all the Democrats would and you only need a majority in the House. If we're going to lose because of him, we might as well impeach the motherf**ker. Take him out with us and let Mike [Pence] take over. At least then we could sleep well at night," he said before going off on a tangent about how the situations with Russia and China scare him. Then, "You know having Mike as President would really piss off all the right people, too. They think they hate Trump. Mike is competent" …

So the implication is they wouldn't vote for impeachment if they might be opposed in primaries, I asked. He confirmed he does not think the votes are there to impeach the President if any of the Judiciary Committee members are facing primary opponents. But get through that and, if Mueller is fired, he thinks so and thinks a majority of the House would vote to impeach President Trump.

"I say a lot of shit on TV defending him, even over this. But honestly, I wish the motherf*cker would just go away. We're going to lose the House, lose the Senate, and lose a bunch of states because of him. All his supporters will blame us for what we have or have not done, but he hasn't led. He wakes up in the morning, sh*ts all over Twitter, sh*ts all over us, sh*ts all over his staff, then hits golf balls. F*ck him. Of course, I can't say that in public or I'd get run out of town."

The congressman's base loves the President ...

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That really does say it all.

All about how hard done by they all are and how they will all lose their seats and it's all his fault *footstomp*.

Not one word for the people who he is employed to represent. Not one word for the wholesale destruction of institution and the rule of law and the lives destroyed or lost as consequence. Not one word for the hardening and deepening of destructive divisions within society. Not one word for the integrity and progressive role of government within society and the effects of cheapening that on the country and the world.

Not one word.

But he's so badly done by. Poor dear.

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Interesting article in the SMH about what Trump is really worth

[quote]In May 1984, an official from the Trump Organisation called to tell me how rich Donald J. Trump was. I was reporting for the Forbes 400, the magazine's annual ranking of America's richest people, for the third year. In the previous edition, we'd valued Trump's holdings at $US200 million ($260 million), only one-fifth of what he claimed to own in our interviews. This time, his aide urged me on the phone, I needed to understand just how loaded Trump really was.[quote]

The basic gist of the article is that Trump lied to get on the Forbes 400 list, which in turn allowed him to then get access to loans that wouldn't have normally been given out because he was on the Forbes 400 list.

Additionally, Trump was obsessed with getting on and staying on the list, as high as he possibly could.

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