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    Default Re: Catholics just don't let go.

    Quote RealityRules said View Post
    Reminds me of when I did a community college course on genealogy, and the person taking the course told us of a conversation in the Latter Day Saints records facility which explains why the LDS (Mormons?) keep such extensive records.

    She was searching for an ancestors record (birth, death or marriage) and the LDS guy asked if she wanted the long dead non-LDS relative baptised into the LDS.

    She said no, and also said she didn't know they could do such post-mortem baptisms.

    The guy said they do them all the time. She asked, what if the long-dead relative wouldn't have wanted that.

    He said "They [the long dead ancestors] have first right of refusal"
    That is funny, now tell me it isn't true.

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    Default Re: Catholics just don't let go.

    I wonder if this link may help:
    http://www.countmeout.ie/

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    Default Re: Catholics just don't let go.

    Quote Owl700 said View Post
    I wonder if this link may help:
    http://www.countmeout.ie/
    Welcome Owl700. We love meeting new members. Please feel free to stop by the Welcome New Members area to tell us a bit more about yourself.

    We also have a Count Me Out thread for anyone who is interested in finding out more.

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    AFA President David Nicholls gave me permission to ask this: I am a journo writing a piece on formal defections from the Catholic Church. There is a process, as outlined on the Count Me Out website (www.countmeout.ie) - I am looking to interview any Aussies who may have undergone this process (for publication in the Australian Fairfax press). It has really gained momentum in Ireland, where I am right now. Please note: I'm only interested in those who have undergone the formal process. And as per the original question - the baptismal register is amended to note you have ceased to be a member, but the record of your bapstism is not wiped, as I've been told "we cannot rewrite history - it took place, and just because you've defected can't change that fact". Upshot is, though, they can't include you in their stats as a Catholic - they CAN if you don't formally defect. And they can use those stats (we have x number of members) to legitimate their interference in areas such as education and health.

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    Hello Michelle,

    Glad to see you took my advice and have posted here. As I said, I have not heard of this group but others may have. My thoughts are that it may work in Ireland where the Catholic Church’s influence has been/still is very strong and where the sexual abuse allegations are prolific and shocking to a Catholic population. That is not to say the allegations are not shocking to the Australian population, but the Irish religious mindset will, and is, finding it difficult to accept that their all encompassing religion could produce such ‘evil’.

    David

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    Default Re: Catholics just don't let go.

    You can no more change the church's view that you're always theirs than you can their view there is a god. And neither matters, in the final analysis. You can't control what people think or say about you. I'm sure people think and say worse things about me, but y'know, sticks and stones.

    As far as holding information, it's an historical record and I think they are therefore entitled to maintain it.

    You can't tell a bank to destroy its records when you close an account.

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    Quote Brother Nelson said View Post
    That is funny, now tell me it isn't true.

    BTW. I do like that signature.
    It's true

    Mormons claim to have the largest private genealogy archives in the world.. They've been baptising deceased people by proxy for decades.

    There was a recent bunfight when some some Jewish people took exception to Mormons baptising holocaust victims.

    The theory is the deceased person may decline the baptism to the relevant heavenly authorities.I think that's right. The Mormons are nothing if not consistent their loopiness.

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    Default Re: Catholics just don't let go.

    Quote Senexis said View Post
    You can no more change the church's view that you're always theirs than you can their view there is a god. And neither matters, in the final analysis. You can't control what people think or say about you. I'm sure people think and say worse things about me, but y'know, sticks and stones.

    As far as holding information, it's an historical record and I think they are therefore entitled to maintain it.

    You can't tell a bank to destroy its records when you close an account.
    I agree with you about the "historical record"; it should be maintained.



    The thing that irks some people though, is that even if they have long ago discarded their religion, the Church still counts them as members - and that helps to make the Church look much stronger than it is.

    If the person goes through some sort of official de-baptism procedure, however, they are no longer included in the count - and if enough people do it, the Church membership figures will become a little more realistic.

    Personally, I think de-baptism is like pissing in the ocean - it makes a difference, but you can't measure it - although I can see why some people want to do it "on principle".
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    Default Re: Defection From The Church (Now Impossible)

    **sings** Welcome to the Vatican California ...
    I have no requirement for the supernatural or magic to explain anything, finding purpose in life other than trying to enjoy it, fantasies to explain wonder, fear that reason might trivialise me, or demand of wonders greater than those that are evident.



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    How bloody totalitarian of them. No right to autonomy for them, no sirree...

    You didn't get a choice on joining originally, so SNAFU now, I s'pose...

    Sorry, not much help I know, just expressing my disgust...
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