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    Quote Mark Sean said View Post
    Yeah, I think that is the message. Not sure why it is in this thread tho'.
    Could you please explain why it shouldn't be?


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    The surrendering relates to stopping being a controlling person and allowing a spouse/partner to be themselves.
    Actually, not quite.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surrendered_wife

    The "Surrendered Wives" movement is centered on six basic principles:

    1. a wife relinquishes control of her husband's life
    2. she respects his decisions for his life
    3. she practices good self-care (she does at least three things a day for her own enjoyment)
    4. she practices expressing gratitude (thanking her husband for the things he does)
    5. a surrendered wife is not afraid to show her vulnerability and take the feminine approach
    6. She relies on him to handle household finances
    The surrender here goes a little deeper than just stopping controlling a person.



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    I read her own description of herself - she needed to get help.
    I read that too, and it's something which causes concern, not just the past but the present. It might be something specific to her character, but she seems able only to engage in extremes.



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    Take the gender out of it and call it surrendered partner...
    Not sure why when they specifically call it 'Surrendered Wife'?

    I'm not seeing any related info about Surrendered Husbands.


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    - all about not being a controlling monster and perhaps your life might be more satisfying. Nothing new.
    I disagree, thus my inclusion in this thread.

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    Quote Spearthrower said View Post
    Could you please explain why it shouldn't be?




    Actually, not quite.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surrendered_wife



    The surrender here goes a little deeper than just stopping controlling a person.





    I read that too, and it's something which causes concern, not just the past but the present. It might be something specific to her character, but she seems able only to engage in extremes.





    Not sure why when they specifically call it 'Surrendered Wife'?

    I'm not seeing any related info about Surrendered Husbands.




    I disagree, thus my inclusion in this thread.
    I don't think this pathology is gender specific.
    The criteria in the linked article is a little different to the wiki you linked.
    I arked up a bit about letting the husband control finances - my wife is an accountant - she can have at it (as long as I get a bit of beer money).
    What I mean is, you could give these same rules to controlling males and no doubt their satisfaction with their relationships would improve also (if they would take them on.)

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    Quote Mark Sean said View Post
    I don't think this pathology is gender specific.
    The criteria in the linked article is a little different to the wiki you linked.
    I arked up a bit about letting the husband control finances - my wife is an accountant - she can have at it (as long as I get a bit of beer money).
    What I mean is, you could give these same rules to controlling males and no doubt their satisfaction with their relationships would improve also (if they would take them on.)

    While the notion of surrendering to love is poetically romantic, I think the notion of surrendering to another person is nauseating. I am happily unmarried, but I couldn't imagine being married and spending my life with someone who just flopped over and let me control the business of our lives. Surely, the ideal relationship is one where people are equals? For me, at least, I see no reason why being either subordinate or controlling would provoke satisfaction, although I know some people who are very happy in such relationships - it's not for me.

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    'It's not just drunken behaviour': The music industry is banding together to stamp out sexual assault
    Melbourne indie punk band Camp Cope were midway through a sold-out set at Brisbane's Crowbar in May when a man began aggressively ploughing his way through the audience, leaving many women — called to the front by the band at the start of the set — in his wake.
    Lead singer Georgia Maq saw what was happening and halted mid-song to call out the offender and ensure he was ejected from the event.
    But the incident led the band, who had been thinking about how to address the issue of sexual harassment and abuse at gigs, to create a campaign to help make Australian live music safer and more inclusive for everyone.
    "We thought we had to do something, it became our responsibility," Camp Cope bassist Kelly-Dawn Hellmrich tells ABC News.
    Working with an impressive list of Australian music industry figures, including Courtney Barnett and Frenzal Rhomb, Camp Cope launched the It Takes One campaign in September to encourage gig-goers to call out men behaving badly.
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    There have been numerous recent examples of women being harassed and assaulted at Australian concerts, some of which have received significant media attention.
    In February, a man allegedly urinated on a woman at a Spiderbait show in Melbourne, while another man ejaculated on a woman at the St Kilda Festival. Another woman was recently assaulted at a Luca Brasi show in Sydney.
    Stories like these are so common that in July last year, the Victorian government set up a taskforce to combat sexual harassment and assault at live music venues.
    But more than 18 months since it was established, the taskforce is yet to implement any of its new policies or recommendations.
    For this reason, many in the music industry have stepped in to fill the void and, in the lead-up to summer music festival season, are working to address a toxic 'masculine' culture which experts say is a big part of the problem.
    Another group, Canberra band Moaning Lisa, recently posted a Facebook video slamming "buffoons" at one of their live shows who "ruined it for everyone else" by being "invasive [of] other people's space".
    "We're really sick of it," singer Charlotte Versegi says in the video. "We've dealt with it both in the crowds and on stage. We're really sick of shrugging it off as just drunken behaviour, or 'boys will be boys'."
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    The issue of sexual harassment at gigs is difficult to document, as much of it goes unreported.
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    Backlash after Daily Mail makes story out of Sam Armytage's 'panties'

    This is dodgy as fuck. It's fucking stalking and should be dealt with by the law.

    Daily Mail Australia has come under fire after publishing a story about Sam Armytage's "giant granny panties".

    The story, which largely consists of paparazzi photos of the Sunrise host's behind taken while she was grocery shopping, was published on Sunday night under the headline, 'Sunrise host Sam Armytage dares to bare with giant granny panties showing a visible line as she steps out in Sydney... after slamming rumours she's dating Channel Seven colleagues
    You do this to someone you don't know you will get into trouble. But because it's a celebrity?

    "The TV personality's oversized granny panties showed through the garment with a clearly visible line," one sentence read.

    The in-depth description of Armytage's "makeup free" look was followed by various rumours about Armytage's love life which have circulated over the past week, all of which were expressly denied by the television presenter in an Instagram post on Sunday (which was included in the Mail's write-up).
    The story was immediately lambasted on Twitter and the publication's Facebook page.
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    Sexual harassment widespread in South Australian Police Force, report finds

    This is the police remember. You know, the ones we entrust to hold up the law.

    Sexual harassment, ranging from unwanted sexual comments to attempted and actual rape, is widespread in the South Australian Police Force, a report has revealed.

    The report by the Equal Opportunity Commission, titled Sex Discrimination, Sexual Harassment and Predatory Behaviour in the South Australian Police Force, has found there is a harmful "boys' club" culture within the force.

    The commission was told it was common for male officers to rate the attractiveness of victims or witnesses, call each other "fags" or "gay", and on at least one occasion pornography was watched on a conference room screen.

    It heard from close to 2,000 online respondents and 58 one-on-one interviews or written submissions — about 30 per cent of SAPOL.

    Of those respondents, 61 per cent perceived sexual harassment and predatory behaviour occurred in the organisation.

    While 36 per cent had personally experienced sexual harassment and 45 per cent of respondents had personally experienced sex discrimination.

    The report found discriminatory and harassing behaviour was seen as being "acceptable and normalised".

    The report has made 38 recommendations, including an overhaul of the SAPOL complaints handling processes and the establishment of a program where victims can tell their story to a trained officer and seek an apology.

    It is also recommended the police force establish a gender equality strategy.

    Equal Opportunity Commissioner Niki Vincent said sexual discrimination in the force was "commonplace".

    "There is a culture of stigmatisation and victimisation for those who do complain," Dr Vincent said.

    Team 'thought it would be good' to watch porn

    The victims told the commission about the highly sexualised workplace culture and having "no women in senior positions to speak to".

    "After one night shift the team I was in thought it would be a good to have pizza and a beer and watch porn on the big screen in the conference room. I was the only woman in the team. I felt like I'd be ostracised if I didn't stay," one woman said.

    "A daily occurrence in my workplace is to have the males put each other down with comments like 'Are you on your period?' or to call each other 'fags' or 'gay'," another said.

    "It was common for male officers to 'rate' a victim, or witnesses for their attractiveness. They would also rate new police women coming into the team."
    Commissioner 'ashamed and disappointed' by discrimination

    The report further recommended the appointment of an Assistant Commissioner to focus on a "cultural reform agenda and lead a specialist project team".


    Commissioner Grant Stevens said he accepted all of the report's recommendations.

    "Sadly what this review tells us, is there is an unacceptable level of sexual harassment and discrimination and predatory behaviour within South Australia Police and this means we have to do some work to change our culture," Commissioner Stevens said.

    He said Assistant Commissioner Bryan Fahy would lead the team responsible for ensuring the recommendations were implemented.

    "What is also happening straight away is the creation of a Safe Space program for people who wish to come forward and report incidents of sexual harassment, sexual discrimination or predatory behaviour."

    Commissioner Stevens said he was "ashamed and disappointed" that people within SAPOL had been victimised.

    "I unreservedly apologise to those people," he said.

    "They didn't deserve this treatment and our obligation is to ensure that we do whatever we can to reform our culture so that it does not happen again."
    The report found women were more likely to be the targets of sexual harassment, with a fifth of survey respondents saying they had experienced it in the past five years.

    About 1 per cent indicated they had experienced a sexual assault.

    The review also found predatory behaviour — where sexual harassment is perpetrated by someone in a position of authority or influence — should be of particular concern to SAPOL and was significantly higher within the force compared to the general workforce.

    Police Association president Mark Carroll said he was well aware of the issues outlined in the Commission's report, and welcomed its recommendations on workplace flexibility and improving complaints handling processes.

    "I think it's disturbing that so many people have complained in relation to the treatment that they've experienced in SAPOL," Mr Carroll said.

    "That's a hard and uncomfortable truth for the organisation to deal with."
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    That time when you are a rape apologist.
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    This is a UK story but that's good reason for consternation,

    Guardian

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    Philip Davies’s place on the equalities committee is a victory for misogyny
    Sophie Walker
    The anti-feminist MP is the latest ‘straight-talking’ politician whose views have caused much eye-rolling. But he is no joke – and his ideas must be opposed

    ‘Philip Davies seems to be on a mission to discredit and dismantle the few policies we have to address the damage being done to women in this country.’

    Politics likes nothing more than a cheeky chap. Someone who says it as it is, who pokes the po-faced and reminds us what “real people” think. We know politics likes this sort of person because it keeps pulling them to the surface of our national consciousness, slapping them on the back and handing them a microphone.

    When I say “politics” and “real people”, I actually mean: blokes. Men who like a testosterone-fuelled debate. Such as the ones in Westminster who winked Philip Davies through to a place on the women and equalities committee. Such as the ones hiding behind warrior avatars who cheered his recent attempts to derail a bill on domestic violence with tweets like: “Good luck mate, sort ’em out.”

    Under the guise of a “real” campaigner for equality, Davies says he wishes to combat political correctness (“Such a breath of fresh air!” etc), which “has neutered men to such an extent that in many areas, they have completely lost their voice”. He plans to take up his place on the women and equalities committee “as Ukip took up their seats at the EU parliament” and to remove women from the name.

    His appointment has doubtless prompted much punching of the air among his other backers, an outfit calling itself Justice 4 Men and Boys that gives out monthly awards for lying, whiny and toxic feminists and posts articles explaining why women lie about rape. Davies – who has distanced himself from the group – recently told its conference: “Feminist zealots really do want women to have their cake and eat it.”

    The response of MPs who clearly can’t stand his politics has been restrained. After all, some of Davies’ pronouncements are so absurd that they can prompt appalled eye-rolling rather than rage. I confess I keep expecting him to fiddle with his tie, Oliver Hardy-style, every time he tells us about the latest fine mess that feminists have landed us in. But Davies is not a joke. It’s bad enough that he’s in parliament, let alone on the women and equalities committee.

    When they go low, we go high, you say. No thanks. When they go low, people listen. When we go high, people can’t see us. We have to stand toe-to-toe and nose-to-nose with this dangerous strand of populism and call it what it is.

    Equality for women is under threat more than ever at a time when racism and misogyny are routinely put forward as the antidote to “political correctness gone mad”. Giving Davies a committee seat from which to stall progress towards women’s equality does not enable us to teach him better or expose his untruths; it exposes his views to a bigger audience, and normalises them. We allowed Donald Trump to do it; and so too his Mini-Me, Nigel Farage. Let’s not give another the space to grow in his own fertiliser.

    The biggest challenge in talking about feminism with non-believers is overcoming their inability to see any of the structural barriers in front of women. Such as Davies’ belief that any approach to ending violence must be gender neutral because men experience violence too – the result of his failure to understand that violence against women is both a cause and consequence to gender inequality. We must stand up to the approach that points and bellows “it’s not fair” when the chips fall where they do because women are handed a lifetime of caring responsibilities on which we place no value; because women must settle for part-time work on lower wages, and because, together, these inequalities license violence against them by men. We must challenge that approach because it takes no responsibility for being part of the system that creates any of this.

    The problems that men face are not going to be solved by someone like Philip Davies because he thinks that equality means treating everyone exactly the same – the same as we treat straight, white, able-bodied men – and woe betide anyone who won’t, or can’t, get in line. (His other suggestions include paying disabled people less for the work they do.) Last Friday’s filibuster attempted to derail the ratification of the Istanbul convention to tackle violence against women and girls, by cautioning that we shouldn’t focus on the two-thirds of victims of domestic violence that “happen to be women”, missing the point entirely that it is not happenstance.

    The good news is that Davies doesn’t speak for all men. The vast numbers of men joining the Women’s Equality party understand that what’s hurting them is linked to what’s hurting women and that fixing both requires understanding our differences. Male dominance in relationships causes nothing but stress to both sexes; the next generation wants something different – male role models who teach and nurture, fathers who are present, families that share care and work. Many young men want this. Many older men do too.

    Responding to those who seek to divide is a tricky business. Publicity is their oxygen. But doing nothing is not an option. Telling the truth is important when others seek to spin our circumstances into a mirage of misandry. As society tenses and turns on those who are different, the real picture of equality between men and women is clear. We need clarity on the picture of equality between men and women. Philip Davies’ actions, and today’s appointment, work against finding that truth.
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    Brass Monkey Hotel in Northbridge slammed for sexist signage


    In the realm of "WTF were they thinking"?



    A Northbridge bar has answered vulgar signs posted above a hotel earlier today with one of their own.


    Mechanics’ Institute Small Bar posted this photo to their Facebook page in answer to the signs put up by the Brass Monkey Hotel today.



    Earlier...
    Northbridge’s Brass Monkey hotel has been on the end of a social media smashing after hanging sexually suggestive and sexist signage to promote a New Year’s Eve Frat Party.
    Among the milder suggestions were signs saying “daughter drop-off point” and “we want your freshmen daughters”, with a “we want your freshmen sons, too” apparently thrown in as some kind of counterpoint.
    The signs are similar to those erected at a United States university last year, which also caused outrage at the time.

    The rating of the hotel’s page has already dropped 0.6 points, from 3.7 to 3.1 out of five. The number of one star reviews now outweighs the number of five star reviews.
    The manager declined to comment to The West Australian.
    A spokesman for ALH Group, the owners of The Brass Monkey, apologised for any offence caused.
    He said an ALH Group representative had spoken to hotel management.
    “The banners were inappropriate,” the spokesman said.
    “We had some complaints about them, upon getting those complaints the banners were removed and an apology was posted on the Facebook page.
    “The content wasn’t appropriate and they were immediately removed.”
    The Department of Racing, Gaming and Liquor declined to comment.








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    Cave bar seems appropriate for that mentality.

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