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    Whoops, how embarrassing lol. I usually have a few diferent tabs up for diferent forums and thought I was responding to Atheist Ireland. My bad
    Why do you feel the need to argue your point across the globe?

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    The Australian Stats on gun deaths

    In 1991 the firearm related death rate was 3.6 per 100 000 persons,
    6.6 per 100 000 males and 0.7 per 100 000 females.
    In 2001 the firearm related death rate decreased to 1.7 per 100 000 persons, 3.1 per 100 000 males and 0.4 per 100 000 females.


    http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/australia
    In Australia, the annual rate of firearm homicide per 100,000 population is

    2008: 0.0923
    2007: 0.12
    2006: 0.14
    2005: 0.19
    2004: 0.1717
    2003: 0.2718
    2002: 0.23
    2001: 0.24
    2000: 0.30
    1999: 0.26
    1998: 0.30
    1997: 0.43
    1996: 0.57
    1995: 0.37
    1994: 0.43
    1993: 0.36
    1992: 0.55
    1991: 0.49
    1990: 0.46
    1989: 0.48
    1988: 0.74


    Australia, the annual rate of firearm suicide per 100,000 population is

    2008: 0.7929
    2007: 0.79
    2006: 0.69
    2005: 0.72
    2004: 0.84
    2003: 0.9718
    2002: 1.10
    2001: 1.34
    2000: 1.16
    1999: 1.42
    1998: 1.26
    1997: 1.78
    1996: 2.09
    1995: 2.15
    1994: 2.35
    1993: 2.44
    1992: 2.79
    1991: 2.92
    1990: 2.85
    1989: 2.68
    1988: 3.15

    Angels of our better Australian Nature ?
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    Why do you feel the need to argue your point across the globe?
    I guess I'm just opinionated.

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    An opinionated Yank you say? I guess there's a first time for everything...

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    The gun lobby would (and have done) point out that the data presented by Coryate shows that firearm related death was falling long before Port Arthur (1996) and the gun buy-back.
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    A good read on the Port Arthur shooting:

    http://www.publicpolicy.umd.edu/file...%20chapter.pdf

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    The gun lobby would (and have done) point out that the data presented by Coryate shows that firearm related death was falling long before Port Arthur (1996) and the gun buy-back.
    Quite true, but the drop was mostly due to gun owners having to go to a gun club to do safety training, so less people where shooting themselves accidentally.
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    From your link:
    Teen Birth Rate per 1,000 Population, Ages 15-19, 2009:

    US National: 31.9
    Alabama: 50.7
    District of Columbia: 47.7

    Since your quote was based on per 100,000 while my quote was based on per 1,000, multiply the figures I provided by 100.

    Yes, teen pregnancy is a much bigger concern then our gun laws.

    Besides, your figures don't control for intentional murder with a firearm or deaths resulting from a negligent discharge as opposed to legal self-defense against a criminal by a civilian or a lawful "good shooting" by police officers in the performance of their duty.

    Thanks for the link, though, I've added it to my collection.

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    Apparently we Christians, at least in America, are more likely to impregnate your daughters then we are to kill you, even with our personal firearms.
    Whilst I can agree that over here, this idea of a "genuine reason" is complete and utter rubbish, given its ambiguity, I must say that negligent discharges should also be considered while looking at gun death stats. Because negligent discharges = people who have no idea what the fuck they are doing.

    I certainly wouldn't like completely relaxed gun laws, which permit a random joe to just pick one up without any training whatsoever, which appears to be the situation over there. Would I be correct?

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    Whilst I can agree that over here, this idea of a "genuine reason" is complete and utter rubbish, given its ambiguity, I must say that negligent discharges should also be considered while looking at gun death stats. Because negligent discharges = people who have no idea what the fuck they are doing.

    I certainly wouldn't like completely relaxed gun laws, which permit a random joe to just pick one up without any training whatsoever, which appears to be the situation over there. Would I be correct?
    That's the direction a hand full of states are heading, yes; not even requiring a permit to buy and carry loaded, open or concealed.

    I believe the mutual ground will be requiring training before a perches. Instead of permission by the state to carry, one will have to provide a wallet sized card certifying their completion of a state sanctioned safety coarse. I would fully support this requirement.

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    Quote Crocodile said View Post
    I certainly wouldn't like completely relaxed gun laws, which permit a random joe to just pick one up without any training whatsoever, which appears to be the situation over there. Would I be correct?
    @Croc: no doubt Jerry will have more specific info, but I expect that these laws vary from state to state, am I correct?
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