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pipbarber 11th March 2017 07:54 PM

20 million people without food
 
Quote:

UN: World facing greatest humanitarian crisis since 1945

The world is facing its largest humanitarian crisis since 1945, the United Nations says, issuing a plea for help to avoid "a catastrophe".
UN humanitarian chief Stephen O'Brien said that more than 20 million people faced the threat of starvation and famine in Yemen, Somalia, South Sudan and Nigeria.
Unicef has already warned 1.4m children could starve to death this year.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-39238808

This needs a thread.

I dont know what to say and i dont know what to do. I dont have much cash to give and i dont even know where i'd give it.

Does anyone have any information or suggestions regarding what is the best thing for individual people her in oz to do?

Darwinsbulldog 11th March 2017 08:27 PM

Re: 20 million people without food
 
Quote:

pipbarber said (Post 583316)
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-39238808

This needs a thread.

I dont know what to say and i dont know what to do. I dont have much cash to give and i dont even know where i'd give it.

Does anyone have any information or suggestions regarding what is the best thing for individual people her in oz to do?

Not just a cash problem. The food has to get to who needs it, and what with wars and warlords active in the region the logistics is both difficult and very unsafe. :(

Svadifari 11th March 2017 09:05 PM

Re: 20 million people without food
 
Quote:

pipbarber said (Post 583316)
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-39238808

This needs a thread.

I dont know what to say and i dont know what to do. I dont have much cash to give and i dont even know where i'd give it.

Does anyone have any information or suggestions regarding what is the best thing for individual people her in oz to do?

Sadly, the solution is that these things should be prevented, not managed. Africa is still being plundered, the wealth to and power for prevention goes to Europe, China, Russia, USA. Sure, all of them will pitch in now to soothe the guilt, return a share of the loot and congratulate themselves on how decent they are.
And next week the USA will still insist that South Africa buy the chicken products that Americans are not prepared to eat, else they won't trade with us at all.

stevebrooks 11th March 2017 09:51 PM

Re: 20 million people without food
 
And countries in Africa that used to grow enough food to feed themselves and export to other African countries are now importing food.

Seriously Africa is fucking huge, I don't mean that in that it's pretty big, it is fucking huge! Africa is 20% of the worlds land mass, bigger than the US and Canada combined, they have larger agricultural area, more resources, and it's all squandered and destroyed because they can't get together and manage to have peace.

Oh yes over the centuries the west is hugely to blame, we pulled down well run kingdoms, installed petty dictators, drew straight lines through tribal regions and called them countries and set Africans against each other. But even now they have such abundance of resources they could put a wall up around the coast, tell the rest of the world to fuck off and do very well indeed.

I suspect it's in the interests of the rest of the worlds oligarchs and imperialists that doesn't happen because they would be taking the back seat. They have screwed it up so badly by centuries of imperial and colonial activity I don't see them recovering to what they should have been by now for hundreds of years. But one day they will, and I hope they forgive us for what our ancestors did, and some of us even now continue to do.

pipbarber 11th March 2017 09:55 PM

Re: 20 million people without food
 
Is there no guilt to be cast upon the local governments? Is this really the fault of the great powers? I'm sure China, Russia, USA and Europe aren't innocent of foul practices but these four nations about to run out of food are really not high on anyone's list of places to play the great global power and money game are they?

There is also an environmental factor at play, extensive drought i believe but it seems the main problem is war, corruption and incompetent state management.

The Irreverent Mr Black 11th March 2017 11:10 PM

Re: 20 million people without food
 
Big picture:
  • Money and resources spent on arms could feasibly be reduced and funds diverted to aid.
  • Some conflicts Oz is in are of questionable legitimacy. If we* don't want refugees, why don't we* stop making them?

Small picture:
  • Medicins sans Frontieres or similar aid projects which aren't diverting funds toward spreading superstition.
(* - "We" in the sense of the Government, acting supposedly in the name of citizens. Petition if you disagree. Vote. Campaign. Protest if you can and wish to.)

stevebrooks 13th March 2017 12:09 AM

Re: 20 million people without food
 
Quote:

pipbarber said (Post 583336)
Is there no guilt to be cast upon the local governments? Is this really the fault of the great powers? I'm sure China, Russia, USA and Europe aren't innocent of foul practices but these four nations about to run out of food are really not high on anyone's list of places to play the great global power and money game are they?

There is also an environmental factor at play, extensive drought i believe but it seems the main problem is war, corruption and incompetent state management.

The problem is the local governments, the local political institutions and rulers, the countries themselves are all imposed, in all cases by outside forces, and never with an understanding of existing tribal and geographical dependencies.

Africa was to rich and attractive to the superior technological societies of Europe and while they never fully managed to wipe out the underlying tribal make up of Africa and Africans they did impose a political and national superstructure that fits like a corset on a hippo.

The modern nations, the current governments and political powers are our creation, our gift to Africa you might say. A lot of the current nations reflect the pre-colonial social and political make up in name only. The Kongo Kingdom is now The Democratic Republic of Congo, but it's not because it actually also incorporates several pre-colonial social and political groups. The Great Zimbabwe Empire taken over, expanded and renamed Rhodesia, but not really because they forced other tribal groups into the single country.

Sorry studied this shit for the basis of some of my books, yes we screwed Africa up, it is all our fault (or our ancestors at least). Blaming the current Governments and politicians for the problems is simplistic at best, completely wrong at worst.

Don't ask me what we can do about it now though, I am as clueless as the rest of the world!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...e-colonial.svg

wadaye 13th March 2017 02:36 PM

Re: 20 million people without food
 
Climate change induced drought partly our fault. War induced drought also partly our fault.
Boko Haram was in large part created by the massively violent massacre constituting a crime against humanity by the government against a then non-violent islamist movement. Put of this the monster of Boko Haram was born.

Thank you for the thread Pip it is entirely necessary.

UNHCR is the body which reaches the most people i believe but it has been the victim of defubding by populist movemebts such as Abbott and the Republican party in the US.

wadaye 13th March 2017 02:58 PM

Re: 20 million people without food
 
I don't know how important individual donations are but letters to politicians about such fundamental issues are really important. Petutions too.

wadaye 18th March 2017 10:20 AM

Re: 20 million people without food
 
UNICEF appears to be the body with the most ability to help on the ground

From Wikipedia
"The United Nations International Children's Emergency Fund (UNICEF; /ˈjuːnᵻsɛf/) is a United Nations (UN) programme headquartered in New York City that provides humanitarian and developmental assistance to children and mothers in developing countries."


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