The Origin of Life - Abiogenesis

[davo]

Too good not to post. Abiogenesis.

"It's been 55 years since the Miller-Urey Experiment, and science has made enormous progress on solving the origin of life. This video summarizes one of the best leading models. Yes there are others. Science may never know exactly how life DID start, but we will know many ways how life COULD start"

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[atheist_angel]

this is really good. is there a thread on his YAC work?

[Mister Pervert]

Is Ben Stein's movie online yet?

There was a lot of (online) hype about it a few years ago and his premise had me nodding my head for a bit (like one of those Virgin Mary dolls on the dashboard of a pimp's car or a 'bye-bye hand' in the back window.)

[atheist_angel]

Is Ben Stein's movie online yet?

There was a lot of (online) hype about it a few years ago and his premise had me nodding my head for a bit (like one of those Virgin Mary dolls on the dashboard of a pimp's car or a 'bye-bye hand' in the back window.)
Which Movie? This One? Ben Stein's Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed (http://www.watch-movies-links.net/movies/expelled_no_intelligence_allowed/)

[Mister Pervert]

Which Movie? This One? Ben Stein's Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed (http://www.watch-movies-links.net/movies/expelled_no_intelligence_allowed/)

That's the one, but would prefer to watch without all the "Russian Brides" spam. Call me weird...

[gruber]

apparently this is how life started.

"Gil Gerad went back in time and ejaculated into a pool of primordial ooze" (family guy)

:D

[atheist_angel]

apparently this is how life started.

"Gil Gerad went back in time and ejaculated into a pool of primordial ooze" (family guy)

:Di don't know....Dr. Jack W. Szostak might not agree. :p

[angelo]

Lies, Lies. You all know god did it. Couldn't be any other way. Life begats life.

The only problem with the above arises when you ask. '' If life begats life, then who begated god? :rolleyes:

[The Irreverent Mr Black]

If life begats life, then who begated god? :rolleyes:
<points finger> It was Mister Pervert (http://www.atheistfoundation.org.au/forums/member.php?u=265). He begats everything.

[angelo]

So! he is the culprit ? Should have realized it was him.

[robertkd]

apparently this is how life started.

"Gil Gerad went back in time and ejaculated into a pool of primordial ooze" (family guy)

:D


I have problem with that, given that in all likely hood the addition of new proteins and actual DNA material from the seminal fluid may well cause mutations to occur thus generating possible life forms leading to a possible higher being evolving form the primordial muck.

There are some problems first of all for proto "Gil Gerad" to occur involves serious issues in space time theory in that it presupposes "Gil Gerad" existence before his existence something that is not possible.

It does however lay the very foundation for the divinity in that he metaphorically impregnated himself so that he would exist to create himself in a rather round-a-bout way.

the otther issue is the possibility of proto "Gil Gerad" surviving all disasters that occured to the earth during the period some 3.5 to 4.3Ga to the point when "Gil Gerad" is supposed to have existed leading to the problem that he may not actually have existed and the possibility of providing the "seed" to generate himself fails or worse changes the space time continuum and none of the above actually ever occurs,... big problem we don't actually exist :cool:

[angelo]

Completely off topic. But how the hell does one start a new thread on this forum. I don't see a new topic button anywhere like on the RD forum. :confused:

[atheist_angel]

Completely off topic. But how the hell does one start a new thread on this forum. I don't see a new topic button anywhere like on the RD forum. :confused:You select 'which topic' you would like to put your thread under and click NEW THREAD. It's by UserCP.

[angelo]

That's the one, but would prefer to watch without all the "Russian Brides" spam. Call me weird...
Don't know about that! there's some hot looking chicks in that lot. :D

[paradigm]

Biogensis, as the construction of biology from chemistry, is specified by the paradigm that integrates science.

This is presented in the essay, "The Logic of the Universe", located at: http://members.westnet.com.au/paradigm/forever.pdf

paradigm

[kencooke]

Too good not to post. Abiogenesis.

"It's been 55 years since the Miller-Urey Experiment, and science has made enormous progress on solving the origin of life. This video summarizes one of the best leading models. Yes there are others. Science may never know exactly how life DID start, but we will know many ways how life COULD start"

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Dr Jack Szostak just won the Nobel prize foe medicine. Jack Szostak, a professor of genetics at Harvard Medical School, shared the prize with Elizabeth Blackburn, a professor at the University of California, San Francisco, and Carol Greider of the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine.

[davo]

Biogensis, as the construction of biology from chemistry, is specified by the paradigm that integrates science.

This is presented in the essay, "The Logic of the Universe", located at: http://members.westnet.com.au/paradigm/forever.pdf

paradigm

It's great you found somewhere to publish this stuff, but how did you go with current scientific journals?

Also, from what I have skimmed over in your piece, what exactly has this to do with abiogenesis? Can you actually get in dialog or have you written a piece you are just going to continue to point too?

I will read your piece, but up front, from what I have read, it has very little scientific credibility due to it's format. I have some issues with it, but wish to make them succinct responses.

At the moment, beer is winning, it brews well, makes sense, and doesn't cause as much of a headache ;)

[naturalist griggsy]

;) Yea, science is indeed on the way to find our how abiogenesis led to us naturally. Religion has nothing to proclaim about this or the eternal Big Bangs!
Religion only obfuscates!:rolleyes:
We all can rise above that superstition:)!
Good will and blessings to all!:D

[atheist_angel]

Hello naturalist griggsy, :cool:

I'm very pleased to meet you. Welcome to the forums. I caught your other post too. I'm glad to hear you've been feeling better. Whenever you're feeling up to it, you can start your first thread. It would be your very own welcome mat. If you're not Australian, don't worry about it. I, myself, am an American.

Just click here http://www.atheistfoundation.org.au/forums/images/buttons/newthread.gif (http://www.atheistfoundation.org.au/forums/newthread.php?do=newthread&f=2) when you're ready. In the meantime, I started a thread (http://www.atheistfoundation.org.au/forums/showthread.php?t=2494) that you might find to be interesting reading. You may even have some thoughts on the matter. Have fun, and g0d B. Less to you, too! ;)

[rolandmckay]

Thanks for the video. I subscribe to this hypothesis among others.
The Ben Stein movie Expelled will soon hit the cinemas. I hope scientists treat this seriously. Scientists should support others such as Ian Plimer in his fight against Creationism as it does matter.
Stein should be able to erect a scientific hypothesis about ID and have it taken seriously by academics. If Stein wants to be taken seriously then his hypothesis MUST be scientific, that is testable and subject to disproof. Can he state what evidence would disprove his hypothesis? If it cannot be disproved then it is not subject to scientific methodology.
I have no qualms about Intelligent Design being raised in any school providing that Unintelligent Design receives equal recognition as Stern complains about bias. I have no problems with Theism being taught, as it is already in all religious schools. Would Stein agree that Atheism and Evolution be taught in religious schools to balance the equation? I await your answer Ben Stein.

[naturalist griggsy]

And now Haw kings establishes no need to posit Sky Pappy or the Ground of Being as the cause behind the Big Bang in his new book "Grand Design" and Rudiger Vaas's anthology on the eternal Metaverse does the same.:rolleyes:
As that atelic argument notes, no external intent- divine or otherwise exists to explain abiogenesis , the Bang,miracles and the survival of Jewry. That argument notes,along with the Ockham, no need to posit Him, and it takes away all referents to Him as that Primary Cause and so forth, and thus He is whilst semantically meaningful, He is factually meaningless. And as His purported attributes are incoherent and contradictory, He cannot exist. A triple whammy!:cool:
Make those supernaturalists ever squirm! We need ever to make them give evidence for His referents and attributes that they are factually meaningful. They need to establish outside Scriptures that there are Heaven and Hell and contra-causal free will. Make them squirm!

[angelo]

That's old news! Hawkins is only repeating what most honest scientist are saying for decades now.