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Justtristo
24th June 2010, 08:21 AM
I don’t know about a lot of you people's backgrounds. However as I said earlier I was raised in a non-religious, freethinking background. That means I never had to rebel against say devoutly Christian parents. I do suspect given my mindset, I might have rebelled in my teens if my parents were evangelical Christians.

I was raised by my avowedly atheist mother from age 4-13, then I moved with my dad and his then wife who subscribed to various new age stuff (including belief in Aliens visiting Earth). That experience affected me to the extent, I was always looking at Christianity from the position of an outsider and also I developed a solidly rationalistic, skeptical mindset.

Being open-minded and freethinking made me open in hearing about the ideas the Christians were preaching about. For a long time my main contact with Christians were with that of the liberal variety, I generally found them an all right lot and not terribly dogmatic. Since I have been at university for the last couple of years or so, I got to meet evangelical Christians. Being open-minded I started hearing about the gospel and reading the bible.

Compared to the Quran and Orthodox Islam, I did not find the evangelical Christians and their ideas all that threatening to my lifestyle. I guess the turning point for me lately has been, reading the bible more in-depth and in a way I did not before. Also reading works by ‘new atheist’ authors such as Dawkins, Harris, Onfray and Hitchens. Also my contact with Evangelical Christians has changed my views as well, I tend to see those people in having often a ‘correct’ interpretation of the bible, which my readings has confirmed. I am starting to evaluate seriously my neutral to slightly positive view of Christianity. I am also realizing the better Christians are the ones who don’t interpret the bible literally.

As the title of my post says, I have been through an 'atheist revival' akin to what happens to some Christians. My general apathy to Christianity and other religions are disappearing and I am becoming more critical of it, more in line with my view of Islam. Also far from seeing Dawkins, Dennett, Harris and Hitchens as 'loonies', I am to them and agree with their core message. Right now I am only revealing this change in myself to select people, a fair slice of my social network would think very different of me, I were to reveal this at this stage.

Annie
24th June 2010, 06:49 PM
Hi Ziggy! Me again. Its good to see the cloud is beginning to lift for you as it has for most of us here. Many of us have had to carefully choose how to 'break' the news to significant others and many of us have been lead there through a lot of reading like you. I can honestly say, it's good to be on the side of reason now and I find it quite liberating. Glad you're here. :)

Justtristo
24th June 2010, 07:38 PM
Hi Ziggy! Me again. Its good to see the cloud is beginning to lift for you as it has for most of us here. Many of us have had to carefully choose how to 'break' the news to significant others and many of us have been lead there through a lot of reading like you. I can honestly say, it's good to be on the side of reason now and I find it quite liberating. Glad you're here. :)

Thank You Annie,

Since my family aren't Christian, my views don't shock them in the least and the friends whom I have known for the longest. However others in my life who have not known me as long would not.

More about evangelical Christians, I find their understanding of the world to be very strange to my eyes. For example; one girl talked to me about the earthquakes in Haiti being a result of sin entering the world. I thought deep inside WTF, as I understood earthquakes are part of the natural tectonic process of the earth and humans either by accident or sheer stupidity are responsible for such a high death toll.

Annie
24th June 2010, 08:17 PM
After the quake, the 'praise the lord - I lived' cries were truly pathetic. Those people didnt blame their lord for causing it. This is the type of reality that slaps you in the face when you take those silly religious glasses off. It seems you are one step ahead of many of us having an atheist mum and spending your formative years in a freethinking environment. Lucky you. ;)

Justtristo
24th June 2010, 09:23 PM
After the quake, the 'praise the lord - I lived' cries were truly pathetic. Those people didnt blame their lord for causing it.

That is a really odd attitude because the bible says God is in control of everything, even Satan is under his control. I wonder if God was the author of evil :eek:

The old and new testament has some really strange stories of god punishing people by sending plagues, sending fire from the sky, killing random people, sending bears to maul people etc, because he is annoyed at something or another. About the Haitian Earthquake I heard something said by an American pastor, saying it was god's punishment for the Haitians allegedly making a deal with Satan for their successful rebellion against the French in the 1790's.

Annie
24th June 2010, 09:46 PM
This is why Atheism is such a good realisation. It is not aligned with guilt, threats, blame, hate, woo, etc etc. Frankly, all the others are nutters.

Annie
24th June 2010, 09:53 PM
That is a really odd attitude because the bible says God is in control of everything, even Satan is under his control. I wonder if God was the author of evil :eek:
Well, ziggystardust who plays guitar, :D they will claim that their god is omnipotent and omniscient, so therefore he must be. Why don't they see it??? I don't know! (Im starting to write like krudd, posing and answering my own questions - sorry) but this is why Atheism is such a good realisation. It contains no sky fairy based guilt, threats, woo, etc etc. Frankly, all the others are nutters. :)

RealityRules
28th June 2010, 10:03 AM
That is a really odd attitude because the bible says God is in control of everything, even Satan is under his control. I wonder if God was the author of evil :eek:

I was at the cricket with a religious guy just after the big Boxing day earthquake and Tsunami, and he volunteered - without any prior discussion about that event or religion - that his Priest/Minister had said "don't think about it" - sums it up really.

Jaar-Gilon
7th July 2010, 05:08 AM
9 DAYS!!
It's "Been through a revival."
A FRICKEN REVIVAL!!
Sorry OP it's starting to get to me!

Justtristo
29th July 2010, 08:44 PM
I have to say my learning over the past few months, reading and chatting on here has changed me a bit, now I would say that God does not exist. Previously I would have considered myself Agnostic to the extent that I could not disprove that god did not exist (I have long been atheistic towards any of the gods proclaimed by the world's religions).


Also have lost the general indifference to slightly positive views towards organized religion I have long held. Now I can agree with woman I know, who believes that raising children in a particular religion as indoctrination (which when I heard it, I was offended), also agree with her about that and say that people would consider such indoctrination brainwashing or even child abuse if say children were brought up by their parents to be Nazis. Along with that I firmly believe society would be a lot better off if we abandoned religion, then replaced it with science and reason as the bedrock for our morality.



However outside my family I am very reluctant to say to people in my life, hey I am an Atheist and agree pretty much with what Dawkins, Harris, Hitchens and Harris have to say. Right now I just want to focus on graduating out of uni this year, finding a nice paid job and enjoying my life to the fullest.

Xeno
30th July 2010, 05:13 AM
@ziggy: The main point of atheism is shedding baggage which impedes you or merely wastes your time, so you are exactly right to focus on life, work and friends. Atheism is not a calling, or a living like a priesthood in a church. So long as you will allow yourself to test your arguments, you will become more relaxed about responding openly based on your actual disbelief. There is no standard there, that you are supposed to meet. :)