Australian 'BARRED' Web Sites.

[Homosapien]

On my Facebook, an American friend gave me the link www.truth-saves.com (http://www.truth-saves.com) to check out. (Very good Atheist site. Lots of good info.)

I couldn't get onto it on my computer, or my even work computer, but my friends from America were having NO problems getting onto it.

Yesterday I went to a mates house who's IP address is not Australian. His computer was OK. I then went home and tried again. NO good. Then went through a back-door website over in the US, and got onto the site no probs (don't know if that was safe to do, or not. ie: virus's, trojan's, etc - But did it anyway).

So, is it Virgin Broadband (Home) and Optus (Work) that are preventing me from checking out this awesome Atheist website (are they owned by the church like they own Sanitarium Foods), OR, the Australian Government preventing me (filtering already in place), OR, the actual site from the US that won't let Aussies get onto their site??

I don't know. All I know is, that to get onto the site, I need to change my IP address from an Aussie one, to something else, OR, go through a back-door site.

Does anyone know of other web-sites that us Aussies a barred or banned from getting onto from here? (and I DON'T mean the child porn stuff either. That, I agree should be barred/banned). But, Atheist sites talking facts and truth, common!!!!??????

[Loki]

I have no trouble going there through iinet.

[Praxis]

No problem accessing it from where I am today so I don't think it's been Conroyed yet

[wolty]

Works for me-optus


Not a problem with a kiddy filter?

[Annie]

Works okay for me too and Im on an edu.au address = Many filters and many blocked sites.

[atuanui]

It works ok for me too!
Try & use opendns if want a new dns number
http://www.opendns.com/

[Goldenmane]

No problem getting to it from here, either.

I'm none too sure about the quality of information on that site. Seems they're of the Jesus Myther type: http://www.truth-saves.com/Did_Jesus_Exist.php

The arguments (well, assertions, really) on that page are pretty fucking specious.

Gotta pick Bugalugs up from school. I'll get back to this later if anyone's interested.

[Sir Patrick Crocodile]

I would suggest using Opera browser, in low-res mode (I think they call it "Express"), as it appears to have some Interesting Properties.

(Won't elaborate here)Is Opera Turbo the one you're after?

[Sir Patrick Crocodile]

Be warned it doesn't mask your IP address though (tried it using whatsmyip.com and it still finds my IP address) and if sites know how, they will get it.

Also, it is only useful in slow connections. Fast connections will probably be made worse.

[davo]

It works ok for me too!
Try & use opendns if want a new dns number
http://www.opendns.com/

No, that won't give you anything bu a temporary name that resolves to your current IP it does not give you a new IP number as routers etc across the internet need to be configured for IP address spacing, you can't just use any old IP number on the internet.

[davo]

Be warned it doesn't mask your IP address though (tried it using whatsmyip.com and it still finds my IP address) and if sites know how, they will get it.

Also, it is only useful in slow connections. Fast connections will probably be made worse.

well it should, it does on my phone, which shows my IP as being San Jose California, depending which gateway I am coming out of

[Sir Patrick Crocodile]

Hmm... it seems to do it now, but back when I first checked it with one of the IP address sites (can't remember exactly which, but I think it was "what's my IP" or something) it showed the proxy's address, and my original IP address as well. Maybe Opera has changed things a bit.

[hooa]

Works for me too ... optusnet

[Sir Patrick Crocodile]

I might keep opera turbo on. It masks my IP, compresses teh intarwebs, makes it faster, and kills annoying flash ads at the same time. :D

[GodwinGrey]

No probs with IE by Westnet, in fact it opened like lightning, It's YOU Homosapien :D Whaddya do to get banned?

[Homosapien]

No probs with IE by Westnet, in fact it opened like lightning, It's YOU Homosapien :D Whaddya do to get banned?

Haaaa haaaaa!!

Must have been some thing real gooood! haa haa.

Thanks everyone for the feedback. I'm using IE 8, with Windows XP. Microsoft Security Essentials, AVG Anti-Virus Free and Windows Defender. (I feel dirty).

I've tried changing settings. The 'Content Advisor' is OFF.

Even turned off Windows Defender for a bit. Still no luck. Anyone with Virgin Broadband and CAN get on ok without having the extra IP software running and stuff?

Any more ideas??? I'm NOT Toby yet.

[eccles]

No problems with my XP Professional using IE8, Bigpond ADSl-2 and Sunbelt's Vipre Antivirus & Firewall. However I could not get it with my Win 7 Laptop which uses the same AV. I am on Wireless Bigpond on that machine.

[eccles]

I have just registered for the Forum. Now I can see how many people there have been poisoned by Religion.

[Sir Patrick Crocodile]

I have just registered for the Forum. Now I can see how many people there have been poisoned by Religion.<ERROR: overflow>

[davo]

No problems using airodump plus aireplay to hook into my neighbours WAP, with Backtrack, VPN with ipredator and I'm in no problem ..

dunno what all the fuss is about.

[Homosapien]

My Virgin Broadband is also Wireless. Could it be the protocols used with wireless web browsing servors, as opposed to the land line ones, such as ADSL2?

Are people able to get on the site with their mobile devices which go off a Wireless connection? My nokia can't get on the site either.

[youngmoigle]

No problem getting to it from here, either.

I'm none too sure about the quality of information on that site. Seems they're of the Jesus Myther type: http://www.truth-saves.com/Did_Jesus_Exist.php

The arguments (well, assertions, really) on that page are pretty fucking specious.

Gotta pick Bugalugs up from school. I'll get back to this later if anyone's interested.

The biblical Jesus is said to have been involved in about 40 miracles.
http://www.lifeofchrist.com/life/miracles/

Sounds like a myth to me.

[Annie]

Are people able to get on the site with their mobile devices which go off a Wireless connection? My nokia can't get on the site either.

Yep. Just tried on my iphone. no probs. :)

[wolty]

Just come to me.

Homosapien, goddidit.

[Goldenmane]

The biblical Jesus is said to have been involved in about 40 miracles.
http://www.lifeofchrist.com/life/miracles/

Sounds like a myth to me.

Oh, for fuck's sake.

That there was in all likelihood an at-the-time unimportant mendicant fuckwit preacher wandering around the backwaters of Palestine preaching apocalyptic bollocks and performing faith-healing wanktardery, upon who Christianity was based, doesn't in any sense mean that said fuckwit preacher was an actual miracle worker, a messiah, or the son of an ancient fucking mountain god (who created the entire universe several thousands of years before, much to the surprise of the Sumerians, who thought they'd been in existence and brewing beer for quite some time).

I'm as non-religious as the next bloke (and far more than most), but I cannot for the life of me fathom why some people accept the bullshit claims made to support the "Jesus never existed" position - well, I can fathom it, it's pure unadulterated confirmation bias.

Look, Christianity is utter bollocks - it fails at the first fucking hurdle of Original Sin, and never comes close to making sense after that - but it absolutely baffles me when people uncritically accept the claim that Jesus (a person, and a fucking raving nutter, in my opinion) never existed. Worse, when people take the astonishingly absurd position that accepting that there was almost certainly a particular, specific bloke that led a small group of Jewish insurgents (or whatever they actually were) therefor means acceptance of the ridiculous claims that have accreted around him.

It makes no sense whatsoever for the bloke to never have existed and be entirely made-up. For one thing, there's the problem of his home-town (a shitty little no-account one-goat crapbox called Nazareth) which requires a whole bunch of fucking about in attempts to get the place of his birth to Bethlehem in order to fit with some retarded bullshit about where the Messiah was supposed to be born. If you're making him up, just fucking say he's from Bethlehem. For another, there's the problem of his healing efforts and other magic tricks sometimes not working - if you're making up a magic god/man, why would people not believing him rendering him impotent even enter the fucking narrative?

There are a metric fuck-tonne of further arguments that can be put forward on the issue, and the arguments that Jesus-Mythers present are routinely fundamentally bloody stupid. The classic one is "there are no contemporary records of this supposedly important person" - which is utterly ridiculous, when you consider that he wasn't fucking important, was in a shitty little hole of an area that even the fucking Romans didn't really like very much, and no-one of any real consequence gave two shits about him until he pissed someone off enough to have them nail the fucker to a couple of two-by-fours. And even then barely anyone gave a shit, and it wasn't until a significant time later that Paul came along and turned a no-account little cult into a mass-marketed world-beater of a religion (including the crucial edict that blokes who joined weren't required to chop the end off their cocks).

People start shitty little cults all the time. Most of them you never hear about - until something goes horribly wrong, or until they somehow get big enough for people to start noticing. Christianity's just a shitty little cult that got lucky.

[Annie]

Just come to me.

Homosapien, goddidit.
Who Moi??? I will always be with you my one and only wolternator and God O'List. I am like the father son and holy ghost but the feminine version, the mother, daughter and holy ghostess. I can be everything to everyone, always. :D

[wolty]

Who Moi??? I will always be with you my one and only wolternator and God O'List. I am like the father son and holy ghost but the feminine version, the mother, daughter and holy ghostess. I can be everything to everyone, always. :D
mmmmmmmmm, nice. :)

Do we need a room again? :D

[Annie]

mmmmmmmmm, nice. :)

Do we need a room again? :D
Yes. As long as it's quick. I have a class in ten minutes. :D

[wolty]

Yes. As long as it's quick. I have a class in ten minutes. :D


Oh temptress. :D

Have we derailed another thread?

[Annie]

Apparently so. We are gonna get banned if we keep this up. Now straighten up your collar and look like nothing happened. :D

[wolty]

Nothing to see here peoples. Move along now.

Back on topic.

[Annie]

:D:D:D:D

[atheist_angel]

an American friend gave me the link www.truth-saves.com (http://www.truth-saves.com) to check out.Bookmarked. :D

(Thanks. :))

[eccles]

I am quite impressed with the information on the site. It agrees with everything I have found out about Christianity. Howver this post on the Books Thread got my paddy up:

Just a few books that I suggest reading!

Dawkins vs. Gould: Survival of the Fittest (Kim Sterelny)
The End of Faith (Sam Harris)
**Chariots of the Gods (Erich von Daniken)
The God Delusion (Richard Dawkins)


**Chariots of the Gods is, by far, my favorite non-fiction book of all times--definitely a great read for any of us open-minded enough to question missing links in evolution, and their place in history!

Jesus Bloody Christ! von Daniken is a fraud and was debunked by none other that Carl Sagan and many other scientists. Well I suppose every mother has one. I had a lot to say in reply to that BS.

[Homosapien]

Yep. Just tried on my iphone. no probs. :)

Cheers Annie.

I also tried my wifes and daughters computers, which are all set up differently. Still no good. Only common thing is we all use IE8 and Virgin Broadband wireless. Our settings are all different.

I'm starting to suspect it may be Virgin which is blocking the straight through connection. Like I said before, I can view the site when I use a proxy site, which masks the site I want, to connect me.

[hooa]

Did anyone have a look at the youtube clip on that site titled ... "Monkey Rapes Frog" .... OMG OMG OMG ..... poor frog :eek:

Its so out there, but after I got over the shock of it, just the though of it kept making me laugh ....

[Homosapien]

OK. Spent a bit of time on this sucker.

First, . . . my work has restrictions and blocks, on some web sites, for work purposes. Understandable. That explains why I can't get onto the www.truth-saves.com (http://www.truth-saves.com) site at work.

Then, I use my Mobile phone via the work WLAN, which is free for me, to get onto the web. That explains why I couldn't get on with my Mobile. So I bit the bullet and logged on to the site through my Optus Mobile Internet (I don't have a plan, so it cost me the Premium cost). IT WORKED through Optus perfectly on my phone!!!!

So my Mobile is all good!

My brother who has a Vodaphone Mobile Broadband Internet, checked his computer at home. NO PROBLEMS!! ALL GOOD! (He also got onto the site via his work computer, and NO problems at all getting on)

So, he brought his mobile internet over to my place. We connected it to my computer, (without changing any settings at all - apart from loading on the Vodaphone stuff required) using his provider, to the web. THE www.truth-saves.com (http://www.truth-saves.com) SITE WAS ALL GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NO PROBLEMS!!!!!!!!!!

So, after we pulled out his Vodaphone Mobile Wireless Internet, I placed my Virgin Mobile Broadband Wireless Internet straight back in. Went onto the site straight away again, and NO CONNECTION AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IT IS VIRGIN MOBILE BROADBAND INTERNET 100%, that is CAUSING the problem of not being able to connect to the www.truth-saves.com (http://www.truth-saves.com) site!

(There may be other providers that also DO NOT ALLOW connection to this site as well. I'm not sure.)



SO, This is where I'm up to at the moment:


WHAT: No connection to the www.truth-saves.com (http://www.truth-saves.com) site available.

WHEN: All the Time.

WHO IS TO FAULT: Virgin Mobile Broadband Internet.

WHY & HOW: UNKNOWN?!


I think it's time I sent them an email. Why should I be paying for a partial service? How many other sites have I had problems getting on to, and just brushed it off as "Ahh well, Site must be DOWN."? Why is this happening? I should not be TOLD which sites I CAN, and CAN'T get on, by a service provider. Is this purposely done, or is it just a system error on their end? Questions? Questions? Questions?

(also, I have to finish off my Cludeo Card now. I have the Who, When, and What. I just need the Motive now. Why? Hopefully an email to them will help me solve that one. :D)


Edit: Forgot to mention that I also tried to get onto the site with my wifes and daughters computers using the Virgin Broadband Internet (their computers are also set up differently to mine). Still, No Good. And my daughter even has her OWN Virgin Broadband USB stick, and different account as well, which she bought herself, at a later date. So, it all definately points to Virgin being the cause of 'NO CONNECTION' to the site.

[Homosapien]

WHO: Your ISP,
WHERE: In the jacksie,
HOW: With the branched candlestick.


Common enough crime. What have I won?

I just added an Edit note to my previous post. My daughters' ISP is ALSO affected with her very own Virgin account.

And, you have won?!?!?

KNOWLEDGE and CRITICAL THINKING!!!! You can pick it up at the door on your way out. That's usually where it's left, when anyone has to enter a church. :D

[Annie]

HS. you wouldn't be the first man to have problems connecting with a site when you are dealing with (a) Virgin. Never, never trust a virgin!! ;-)


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[Sir Patrick Crocodile]

One down, seventy one remaining.

[Homosapien]

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

[Homosapien]

Before I send off a letter, I just want to get some more stats to back up my claim.


I therefore posted this on my Facebook.

Does anyone have Virgin Broadband? It appears Virgin filters our internet and blocks your access to certain sites. One site I have found so far is www.truth-saves.com (http://www.truth-saves.com). Everybody else will NOT be restricted. ONLY Virgin users are barred access. I don't know why. Need more stats. Please let me know how you go. Thanks heaps.

Because I don't have a large FB network, I don't expect much of a reply.

If anyone else wants to help out, it would be muchly appreciated. Just post any results here. Cheers.


At This point:

2/2 Virgins don't get access. (sounds like a bit of a comedy line. haa)

[Sir Patrick Crocodile]

And one should urge people to move to another ISP as opposed to just writing a letter to Virgin about it. Moving means losing customers, and if these moving customers write a letter explaining that the censorship is one reason why they are moving, and they get enough loss of customers, then Virgin will have not much of a choice but to get rid of it.

[Sir Patrick Crocodile]

HS. you wouldn't be the first man to have problems connecting with a site when you are dealing with (a) Virgin. Never, never trust a virgin!! ;-)Because looks can be deceiving.

[Homosapien]

@crocodile

Definately! My FB post was designed to 'inform' everyone, whilst also hopefully getting more stats. At this point, none of my FB friends seem to be using Virgin.

ps: I'm also still locked into a contract with them for about another 10 months. If the problem is not fixed, I may then need to contact an ombudsman for advice.

[Seamus]

I've gone and gotten all confused again. :confused:

What should I be using?


Tor? Opera Turbo? Both? To use Opera Turbo do I have to use Opera as my browser? (tried and prefer Firefox.)

[Sir Patrick Crocodile]

You can use Tor only. Opera Turbo is only the best on slow internet connections.

[Seamus]

You can use Tor only. Opera Turbo is only the best on slow internet connections.


Ah, ta.

[senectus]

Welcome to the internet... YMMV

[davo]

You can use Tor only. Opera Turbo is only the best on slow internet connections.

Or when you want to save bandwidth ;)

[Homosapien]

I also put my daughters Virgin Broadband USB stick into my computer to check it out on my system. Still no access. :mad: Just like she had no access to the site either (But it was perfect access with my brothers Vodafone USB stick?). :confused:

Only heard back from a few FB friends. They've all got different providers.

[davo]

I also put my daughters Virgin Broadband USB stick into my computer to check it out on my system. Still no access. :mad: Just like she had no access to the site either (But it was perfect access with my brothers Vodafone USB stick?). :confused:

Only heard back from a few FB friends. They've all got different providers.

could be ISP routes as well .. some of the OS routing for the cheaper ISP's may be congested .. unlikely tho .. dunno, would have to run tests I am not sure about with windows, ping I would, but stuff like tracert, dig lookups etc

[Sir Patrick Crocodile]

Homosapien, is it possible to access the site through a proxy? Like Opera with Turbo enabled, or TOR for example?

If you are not getting any response from the server (use PING www.truth-saves.com in command prompt if using Windows) then another possibility is that your ISP's DNS servers are not the worlds' best.

[Homosapien]

Thanks guys. I do get access when I use a back door proxy web site to get onto the site.

Not heard of Ping. I'll try work that one out and give it a go. Thanks.

[Aldaron]

Worked fine for me, using Chrome via NetSpace (which is basically iiNet, IIRC)

[Homosapien]

@H.Sap: (I noticed you online) try also http://216.172.175.92 - which would bypass Domain Name Server blocking.

No, it doesn't work, although I get there direct.


Cheers Mr B.

I'm now with Bigpond, and don't have any more issues with access to websites now. So, I'm not so sure about Virgin nowadays. I've been off them for a little while now. :p

I was back on here looking around to find a current free host site, for curiousity, whilst chatting to my brother about the past Virgin 'Situation' I was having. The sites seem to be impossible to find nowdays?? (though I don't need them anymore anyway)

PS: The link didn't work for me either. :(