Update...My Mother and The Monstrous Religitards...

[Pinky]

Well, she's home and she promised me that she was so busy over there that her OCD was nothing to worry about. I smell bullshit, but that's just me. At least she is acknowledges her behaviours for what they are. That's a huge step forward.

I've also told her about my Atheism, well I didn't tell her via oral communicae but rather by not hiding my copy of "The God Delusion". I "accidentally" left my facebook page open where I have Religious Status: Out and Proud Atheist written in caps on her laptop...I am a cowardly and gutless person. I saw her face drop, then it started, scratch scratch scratch. Thanks to me, I set my mother off. But on the other hand, I have to think of my own mental health. The last two weeks have been a fucking nightmare for me. I knew that if I told her flat out, we would have a barney and that would be that. I had to avoid an argument, due to my own, rather passionate opinion, on the subject, or else all wouldn't have ended well. My only regret is the triggering, as a fellow sufferer and her daughter I am really sorry I had to do that. But she needs to be somewhat prepared the "chat" we are about to have...Just a couple of days for to get a little less horrified at the idea of daughter being a baby eater. Imagine what her religitard friends are telling her...I envisage the use of the word "cult" being tossed around like spring salad...LOL Poor mum though, she will be very triggered and distraught, that's how deep her "faith" runs. But this has to happen, for her own sake.

Anyway, thanks for reading everyone. Just emptying out my head a bit

[davo]

Yea don't pity you, looks as tho you are going to cop every standard canard under the sun.

My only recommendation is stay calm and clear and happy. good luck :\

[Atrax Robustus]

I'm with Davo on this one Pinky!

Deep breaths and don't let her interpret it as a personal attack.

[Logic]

Best wishes Pinky, I hope 'the conversation' is bearable.

[Darwinsbulldog]

Good Luck Pinky, I hope it works out for you and your Mum in the end.

[Pinky]

Whatever happens, I wont back down. Mr Pinky agrees that I should start the conversation in relation to how the last trip made me feel. Keep the I statements going and keep my cool. This will be the tough bit, I can get pretty passionate when I'm angry and hurt by this whole fucking thing.

I want to line all of these people gaffer tape there eyes open and make them watch endless science doco's till they submit to the truth and admit that they are wrong.

What a lovely fantasy.

Thank you everyone. It's nice to have a place to come to and have a whinge.

Thanks Again

Pinky

[gruber]

I have a feeling one of her religious friends might come along for the chat, if thats the case throw the bugger out so there is no interference

[Fearless]

I want to line all of these people gaffer tape there eyes open and make them watch endless science doco's till they submit to the truth and admit that they are wrong.

Something like this? :p

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[Pinky]

exactly like that Fearless! I would consider injecting them with either MDMA or truth serum. Either one should sort out those chemical receptor issues...LOL

Gruber, no one except for me knows when this is going to happen. I preempted the "bring a friend along" thing. And if somehow one of the Monstrous Religitards are there, I'll either leave (depending on situation) or loose my mind, either way something will start to change. I have my approach planned. And a bottle of gin and tonic in the fridge..:p

DB, Thank you :D

Atrax, Davo, and Logic, thanks am taking deep breaths constantly! :D

[nari]

Good luck (and management) Pinky. Stick to your guns and make some use of the G&T in the fridge....

nari

[riddlemethis]

Pinky, you've been on my mind since I read this thread last night & I just wanted to say to you, that I don't think this conversation is a good idea until you can have it without it causing you to "loose your mind". I know you were probably being a bit loose with your words when you wrote that, but I get a huge amount of (understandable) emotion coming through in your posts about this & I don't think that things will turn out terribly well for you at all if the discussion is conducted with that emotional charge still so raw. Is there someone you can role play all of this with in advance, someone who can take you through the highest part of the emotion & help you workshop it until you are able to deliver something that is calm & completely coherent? I just fear that your emotion is going to be used against you & that you'll end up on the losing end of trying to do the right thing. Perhaps your brother can be of some support here? Anyway, have a think about it.

[Pinky]

Pinky, you've been on my mind since I read this thread last night & I just wanted to say to you, that I don't think this conversation is a good idea until you can have it without it causing you to "loose your mind". I know you were probably being a bit loose with your words when you wrote that, but I get a huge amount of (understandable) emotion coming through in your posts about this & I don't think that things will turn out terribly well for you at all if the discussion is conducted with that emotional charge still so raw. Is there someone you can role play all of this with in advance, someone who can take you through the highest part of the emotion & help you workshop it until you are able to deliver something that is calm & completely coherent? I just fear that your emotion is going to be used against you & that you'll end up on the losing end of trying to do the right thing. Perhaps your brother can be of some support here? Anyway, have a think about it.

I have been thinking the same thing. I can't get emotional. Which is hard, because I am an emotional person, especially when it comes to my mum.

I will get Mr Pinky to workshop what I am going to say, I think this is a fantastic idea, thank you so much. What if Mr Pinky and I write some notes also and have them in pocket..? My mum is use to me carrying around note pads, as I use it for CBT. I am going to use what my mum calls "my nurses voice" because it is emotionless to some extent. I've always had the knack of "putting on my nurses hat" in order to get through something emotionally difficult for me.

I've also been trying to be more "emotive" on here in order to "get it out" before speaking to her. I also know how to manipulate my mother into "hearing me out" regardless of my tone of voice. Using "i statements" etc;

Thank you so much Riddle, it's very touching to know that people put so much time and effort into their responses. I'm not use to this sort of kindness, having been bought up as a christian. :o

[Darwinsbulldog]

All Xians will do for one Pinky, is to pray for u. I went on the Catholic CARM site. 90% was all shite about praying for folks. [In other words, do nuffin while it looks as if you are doin' summat.]

Anyway, baby-eating atheist that I was, I was the only one to suggest PRACTICAL help for a woman who had been evicted, suggesting that she go to some community help centre/legal aid place, or get her pastor to get off his ass, stop praying, and go round to the Local Council and argue her case of hardship. It was not well received by the majority of posters.

Silly bastards, the majority of them. I can just imagine them all at home, sitting in a pile of their own shit, because they are too stupid to move. I suppose god wipes their bums for them, because it is hard to see how they would do it for themselves. :rolleyes:

[Pinky]

All Xians will do for one Pinky, is to pray for u. I went on the Catholic CARM site. 90% was all shite about praying for folks. [In other words, do nuffin while it looks as if you are doin' summat.]

Anyway, baby-eating atheist that I was, I was the only one to suggest PRACTICAL help for a woman who had been evicted, suggesting that she go to some community help centre/legal aid place, or get her pastor to get off his ass, stop praying, and go round to the Local Council and argue her case of hardship. It was not well received by the majority of posters.

Silly bastards, the majority of them. I can just imagine them all at home, sitting in a pile of their own shit, because they are too stupid to move. I suppose god wipes their bums for them, because it is hard to see how they would do it for themselves. :rolleyes:

I worked in a large Catholic Hospital here in Melbourne, I would be working my arse off (I worked in the radiology department in Admin more than nursing) and I heard one of the dotty old nun's say to a relative of a cancer patient, "All we can do now is prey, my dear" No, what we can do is pull every string, explore EVERY avenue, and not pray at all, as it's a waste of bloody time. She could have had me fired if I said anything, so I just shut up and kept working. The patient was particularly frightened as she was young and had an aggressive breast cancer. Yeah, let's fucking pray...that should work. Lets not talk about how she's feeling, or what services we can access to support her and her family, lets pray to the teapot in the sky.

Who supported you DB? if you don't mind me asking. Where Social Services called? If not you have avenues of complaint.

[riddlemethis]

No sweat Pinky. You're in a really complicated situation & I'd hate to see you end up feeling worse out of trying to make things better. Perhaps talk also to the person who handles your CBT - just check in with them and get clear about what you are hoping to achieve and whether what you hope for is a realistic outcome. So much angst in life is caused by unfulfilled expectations, especially where our loved ones are concerned.

[Pinky]

No sweat Pinky. You're in a really complicated situation & I'd hate to see you end up feeling worse out of trying to make things better. Perhaps talk also to the person who handles your CBT - just check in with them and get clear about what you are hoping to achieve and whether what you hope for is a realistic outcome. So much angst in life is caused by unfulfilled expectations, especially where our loved ones are concerned.

Hi Riddle,

I will try and get onto my shrink. I'm not due to see her for another few weeks, but will try to phone conference and see what she says. CBT can get me through anything...LOL as long as I am prepared.

I'm also prepareing myself for the worst. I am assuming that she does choose the church over me, and would be pleasantly surprised if she didn't. I am tenacious of spirit and when it comes to my Mum, I wont stop until I know that she is safe, medicated, and in some kind of support therapy that is not associated with the Religitards.

She has started some bible basher course called "Cleansing Stream" (WTF??) which according to my mum is about helping people deal with their past through prayer and the bibles teachings. If she thinks that this will be enough to ease the pressure to see a psychiatrist, GUESS AGAIN. See what I am dealing with!! For every secular support service I try to put in place, they have something to counter it with.

Mr Pinky and I are biting our tongues till "THE DAY" (which has been pushed back) but we are both on the same page. Which is good.

You mentioned my brother as a support, no use there, he thinks that I am being paranoid about the whole thing and doesn't believe in mental illness. Go figure. When I spoke to my dad about retaining a solicitor he said that "I should let her go and be happy and not make "trouble" where there isn't any". But again, temper that advice with another family member who doesn't believe in mental illness and only acknowledges that I have some "issues" and "quirks" in my personality because of my "unrelenting, in your face attitude" (his girlfriends words)about mental illness. In other words because I wont be ashamed of "it" so he is "forced" to accept it. So no support there really. I have loads of close friends, Mr Pinky, and my Doctors, so I figure if shit really hits the fan, I have some back up.

All I can do now is prepare myself and do it. :rolleyes:

[Pinky]

Oh fuck...

Mr Black, thank you, I have been avoiding knowing too much but that has been a mistake on my part. I'm alarmed but in a good way. Now I know what I am up against. This is pretty horrifying. Did you know they PAY for this shit? I don't know the amount but I'm pretty sure the people who run these aren't professional therapists of any kind and medicare wont be offering any rebate.

Thank you again.:o

[riddlemethis]

Pinky, I think you need to show that information to your brother. Irrespective of his opinion of mental illness, I wonder whether he won't be concerned that your mother is going for exorcism & wouldn't rather be part of a concerted effort to have her seek mainstream health. We are talking cult bullshit here and given that he is concerned enough to have her finances taken care of (that speaks more to me than anything he says about is opinion of mental illness!! Protect the money, might be an in with him!) then I assume he has at least some line in the sand where things become "mental".

Most importantly you have to get these relatives on side by being calm & rational so that no accusations can be made that this is about your issues with religion rather than pure concern for your mother's wellbeing. I think your mum is seriously being taken advantage of & everyone who cares for her ought to be concerned about that. Your therapist might be of distinct advantage in your corner over this - definitely use this resource.

[Darwinsbulldog]

I worked in a large Catholic Hospital here in Melbourne, I would be working my arse off (I worked in the radiology department in Admin more than nursing) and I heard one of the dotty old nun's say to a relative of a cancer patient, "All we can do now is prey, my dear" No, what we can do is pull every string, explore EVERY avenue, and not pray at all, as it's a waste of bloody time. She could have had me fired if I said anything, so I just shut up and kept working. The patient was particularly frightened as she was young and had an aggressive breast cancer. Yeah, let's fucking pray...that should work. Lets not talk about how she's feeling, or what services we can access to support her and her family, lets pray to the teapot in the sky.

Who supported you DB? if you don't mind me asking. Where Social Services called? If not you have avenues of complaint.

I dunno...I looked for several days for a more practical response to see if a response was forthcoming-no joy...I did not go back to that site.

[Enginseer]

Yes it is difficult to talk about your opinions without getting too passionate.

The very first time I met a Creationist I was completely blown away by the fact that people like this existed.

My look of astonishment throughout the entire conversation did not leave a good impression on her..

Either way I came back with a much more constructive approach and she now believes both Evolution and the true age of the Earth.

[Lord Blackadder]

The very first time I met a Creationist I was completely blown away by the fact that people like this existed.

A common reaction. :)

Pinky, that exorcism stuff sounds decidedly creepy (which is probably the understatement of the decade...). I'm pretty sure others had advised this, but get a bloody good lawyer and explore every avenue possible so if these bastards make any attempt to finacially exploit your mother, you can bring down a living legal Hell on them. It may sound materialistic to bring it down to money, but (unfortunately) money is a prime motivator in getting authorities to take things seriously.

Mr. Black, that Cleansing Steams Stuff... whoa (in best Keanu Reeves voice).

[gruber]

It may sound materialistic to bring it down to money, but (unfortunately) money is a prime motivator in getting authorities to take things seriously.

I was reading the local newspaper

A person who stole over $200k wasnt allowed bail. Someone who was had a history of violence and was being charged for 2 assualts was allowed bail. Welcome to justice land where unless your important dont expect shit.

A ambush exorcisim and they wonder why the person reacts violently


I agree with the writing it down thingy, trying to think of every possible response thats been hammered into her by the nutters. If you do find that you are starting to become emotional, leave the room, do a lap around the house or something until you are calm again then go back in and continue the discussion. In my mind there's a high chance that you will become emotional with what I have read.

You should also remember that she is being brainwashed by others. One of my friends was raped and the religous people around her didnt want her pressing charges against one of their faves, she started blaming herself for what happened. It took me and another person weeks to break that line of thought, it got extremely frustrating sometimes but I used good ol' willpower to help her but then again even when Iam at boiling point my anger is extremely contained.

[Pinky]

Well, things aren't going well. She wont hear me AT ALL! Apparently I am "attacking" her. I just kept saying that "No, it's not you personally Ma, it the church."

She's currently not talking to me. This is normal for her. So I'm not too worried. She'll call me tomorrow. If not I'll call her.

I also told her that my daughter isn't allowed to go to church anymore. I received the standard lecture about how she will not grow up to be a good person. I reminded my mum that morals aren't owed by the church especially given their past "achievements".

The conversation was sprung on me, this wasn't started by me. I was pretty much stunned that she bought it up. I had told her I was pretty annoyed about her going to Africa. She wanted to find out why. So I told her again, and it all went from there.

I didn't contain my frustration as much as I would have liked.

I don't think I'm the person to handle this, too emotional. But I have to, as there is no one else willing.

Back to the drawing board. :mad:

[wolty]

Pinky, don't be too hard on yourself. Remember you have a vested interest in this, your mothers wellfare. Keep it cool and look after yourself as well. Always remind her, you are thinking of her.

[Atrax Robustus]

Hey Pinky

Keep up the good fight!

I wonder if the cui bono approach might work with your Mum? That is, get her to start thinking about who is benefitting most from her relationship with this church. Framed the right way, she might start to see that the benefits seem to be greater for the church . . .

AR

[Sir Patrick Crocodile]

Well, things aren't going well. She wont hear me AT ALL! Apparently I am "attacking" her. I just kept saying that "No, it's not you personally Ma, it the church."

She's currently not talking to me. This is normal for her. So I'm not too worried. She'll call me tomorrow. If not I'll call her.

I also told her that my daughter isn't allowed to go to church anymore. I received the standard lecture about how she will not grow up to be a good person. I reminded my mum that morals aren't owed by the church especially given their past "achievements".

The conversation was sprung on me, this wasn't started by me. I was pretty much stunned that she bought it up. I had told her I was pretty annoyed about her going to Africa. She wanted to find out why. So I told her again, and it all went from there.

I didn't contain my frustration as much as I would have liked.

I don't think I'm the person to handle this, too emotional. But I have to, as there is no one else willing.

Back to the drawing board. :mad:I can relate to this, Ms. Pinky

Unfortunately the Crocodile cannot talk about religion to his mother without risking the beginning of Domestic War I and a long flying fist fight.

Isn't God wonderful?

[Logic please]

Hi Pinky,

have continued silently following your postings and updates. Can only offer support for you to keep going, there will be many false starts and restarts, but hopefully your persistence, concern and love will eventually prevail.

To mangle a couple of proverbs, "The road is long, but the ox is patient" :)

Kind Regards

LP

[Praxis]

Yes, I'll add my support here too.

Hang in there Pinky. And keep us updated on progress - in either direction :confused:

[riddlemethis]

Pinky, I'm sorry things didn't go well with your mum. Have you had a chance to speak with your psych yet? I honestly don't think you should pursue this issue with your mum any further until you have. A carefully structured plan of approach (notice I didn't say attack) will help you better navigate your way through this & hopefully without great detriment to either your own health or your Mums. Keep your chin up & go through this sensibly & I'm sure you'll come to a result you can comfortably live with.

[Atrax Robustus]

IMHO, RMT is right Pinky!

[Pinky]

Hi everyone!

Firstly, thank you so much for all your kind words and support through all of this so far.

Croc, it's killing me, I use to talk to my mum about everything. I could hear the shame in her voice. I will learn to cope with it, thank cheese for therapy, but I was so spun out I didn't know what to think. But Mr Pinky was as always a fantastic sounding board!

Wolty, Mr Black, and Lord Addar (I really want to call you Lord Vadar but that is by the by :p) thank you. Your words mean a lot to me and are keeping me going in many ways

Logic Please & Atrax thank you. You are always helping me. It's just awesome.

I realised I have not shed any light on what actually transpired in the conversation. Here's a short overview (sans discussions about my babies teething:p)

In the original conversation, I asked her, as a favour to me, would she please cease "Cleansing Streams" just for 12 months, and in that time follow a mental health plan devised by herself, her CBT therapist and her Shrink. I also wanted her to see a dietitian, and a myotherapist.

She flat out said she wouldn't. I couldn't believe my ears! In a "normal" situation my mum would be up for it. As long as I held her hand. I then went from begging mode, to crying mode, then angry atheist banshee mode. :(

So, I tried a different bent, and asked her to stop for just me, no dietitian, no myotherapist, just 12 months to have her meds review, possible change of meds etc; etc;

And for the first time in my life, my mum said no to me. My heart broke. I just lost my mind. :( No swearing, but lots of, "Why wont you see my point of view"; "Why can't you do this for me, for 12 months that's it."

That conversation ended there.

I then came on here and updated my post.

Then I rang her back. I told her that no matter what, I love her, and that I wasn't turning my back on her, never on her, but I am not happy about the Cleansing Streams.

She offered that we agree to disagree. Normally I would have said yes, but I couldn't. I said, "I'm afraid that I can't support the Cleansing Streams. I can agree to disagree about the existance of God (to a certain extent) but when it comes to her mental health, as a nurse, a compassionate human being, and more importantly has her daughter, it is of utmost concern to me that she is safe, in an approved facility by people who are qualified to mess about with your emotions."

I thought I may have had a small victory. But alas, no, she wont budge.

Then, out of nowhere, she asked "What God's I believe in?" my answer, after being a bit shocked that she didn't know, "No Gods Ma. I believe in the beauty of science. Really, it's so enthralling and once you start, you get sucked in..." I kind of waffled on about The Galapagos Islands, and the turtles, and how we are direct cousins of Chimps.

Then I remembered that once upon a time in a far off life, she was a keen student of Natural Science, she basically had a crush on David Attenborough. So I kept talking about the scientific discoveries with regards to gene's. She lapped it up. I redirected the conversation towards "purely scientific" discoveries.

So this is my plan. :)
I am lucky enough to own many many DVD's on evolution/natural science/philosophy (read my OCD likes to collect doco's :p). So I am going to drip feed these too her. Few Attenborough's (revive the love) to softly expose her to the idea. Then some on the mapping of the human gene's etc etc. I figure if I re-feed her love of science, I may have more of a chance of getting her to see where I am coming from.

Mr Pinky and I believe it is worth a try and with her being so unwell at the moment(SURPRISE SURPRISE) I have the perfect opportunity to drop them off, so she has something 'new' to watch. What a lovely daughter I shall be.

I know it's a bit of a "back door" entry, but whatever works right?

Thank you all once again.

[Atrax Robustus]

Thanks for that Pinky.

Reason is a powerful tool! Softly, softly would be my advice now.

[Praxis]

Well done Pinky. You nearly lost her by the sounds of it ... perhaps underneath she wants to be helped out of this.

I think this is a wonderful way to go. What a wonderful therapy too! Take 2 David Attenboroughs and call me in the morning.

Perhaps somewhere down the line, Carl Sagan's Cosmos even?

Fantastic stuff. Keep going! :)

[Pinky]

Well done Pinky. You nearly lost her by the sounds of it ... perhaps underneath she wants to be helped out of this.

I think this is a wonderful way to go. What a wonderful therapy too! Take 2 David Attenboroughs and call me in the morning.

Perhaps somewhere down the line, Carl Sagan's Cosmos even?

Fantastic stuff. Keep going! :)

Thanks Praxis! I think I'll put Carl on hold for now, lets get her back in love with Attenborough! LOL

I did nearly loose her, before I had even begun. I went back to basics. What I know best is psychology/psychiatry and I should use that has a way of breaking the hold. She didn't become in trenched in religion in one day, I have 20+ years of brainwashing to undo. This needs to be done slowly. The Drip Feed Method as I am calling it! LOL

Basically I have mapped out how I am going to go about this, lots of Doco's she's mad for a movie, and just passively feed her the truth. If I am right, eventually with lots of encouragement she will see what I see, and she will walk away a better person.

The situation felt incredibly hopeless, I was so hurt by her refusal to cease Cleansing Streams, that my emotions blinded me and I wanted to hurt her back. This is no way for me to be of any help.

I called her today and offered to drop off some fresh veggies and some DVD's (;)) but I had my little boy with me and she didn't want to infect him, which is fair enough. So I said I would drop in on the way to town tomorrow and drop of some soup and "bits and pieces". So I have managed to sort that out. Mind you she has no problems with infecting me with her boogers :p but I digress.

I feel so much better about the situation, I just need to keep in mind that I need to go softy.

I've started mapping out possible next phase of getting her out of this shit. Her entire social circle is church based, therefore it would be incredibly unsettling and difficult for her to move out of the church environment with no where else to go. So I will be encouraging her to return to Masters Swimming and start mixing with some "norms". Once again, this is all "slowly slowly" and all dependent on my Drip Feed Theory.

Thank you so much Praxis, Atrax, and Mr Black, I feel like I have something constructive to do, to turn this mess around and get my mum back to at least something like the woman who raised me and not the mere shadow that is before me today.

[Sir Patrick Crocodile]

I used to get eviction threats back when I told my parents I don't want to be part of this whole Islam thing. Now they don't do that anymore. Hopefully with you, a crazy lil' thing called love will settle into your mother.
It is very easy to lose hope in these situations, but somewhere along the line there will be a nice hurdle you can exploit so that things goes your way.
And this "drip-feed theory" might be interesting. Perhaps a certain reptile may ask Pinky Almighty (TM) for help one day with his rather "stubborn" Christian friend who he wants, to be able to think for herself.

[Pinky]

I used to get eviction threats back when I told my parents I don't want to be part of this whole Islam thing. Now they don't do that anymore. Hopefully with you, a crazy lil' thing called love will settle into your mother.
It is very easy to lose hope in these situations, but somewhere along the line there will be a nice hurdle you can exploit so that things goes your way.
And this "drip-feed theory" might be interesting. Perhaps a certain reptile may ask Pinky Almighty (TM) for help one day with his rather "stubborn" Christian friend who he wants, to be able to think for herself.

The Reptiled One can asked The Pink One anytime he likes. We'll see how it goes.

I'm trying to work on the premise that by finding something small, such as my mum's mad crush on David Attenborough to gently pick away till she starts to doubt herself. I've worked out very quickly that as an Atheist, and no a quiet one at that, I can't use the same "arguing" techniques of the Religitards, they are so entrenched in indoctrination of fairy tales that it will never hear what I am saying anyway.

I can't change them, but I can change me. :D

So my theory is, that the person needs to come to doubt their own belief themselves, through passive learning, such as documentaries. It's not offensive to anyone to watch a wildlife doco, that happens to have scientific undertones, explanations of how elephants became elephants is non-confrontational. Keep in mind that my mother loves natural science, so this is a rather easy in road.

This wont work for everyone, but gee what a start hey!

I also need to model rational behaviour to my mum, this way I can keep the emotions to a minimum and keep my eyes on the prize.

Croc, I really admire you being able to stand up to your folks like you have. :)

[wolty]

Pinky, I probably wouldn't be reading my sig to her then.

[Pinky]

"I think of a little child in east Africa with a worm burrowing through his eyeball. The worm cannot live in any other way, except by burrowing through eyeballs. I find that hard to reconcile with the notion of a divine and benevolent creator."
Sir David Attenborough.

With any luck, one day, Wolty, I will and she wont have a heart attack and die :D It's exciting times ;)

[Pinky]

Hi everyone.

Well my mother has pneumonia. Her doctor wanted her to go to hospital, but she wouldn't go. I'd like to blame religion but I can't on this occassion, mum confessed that her OCD is not so good and the idea hospital frightened her. Which I can understand, because I get the same thing.

So I am ploughing her with DVD's and she seems to be enjoying them. Which is a bonus.

Have seen nor heard from her religitard "friends" though...how very christian of them.

[gruber]

thats the aliment you get from exposure to low temperatures isnt it?

[Lord Blackadder]

Hi everyone.

Well my mother has pneumonia. Her doctor wanted her to go to hospital, but she wouldn't go. I'd like to blame religion but I can't on this occassion, mum confessed that her OCD is not so good and the idea hospital frightened her. Which I can understand, because I get the same thing.

So I am ploughing her with DVD's and she seems to be enjoying them. Which is a bonus.

Have seen nor heard from her religitard "friends" though...how very christian of them.

Pneumonia - not good. Keep an eye on your mum Pinky. If she doesn't get better, get her to the hospital ASAP. My step-father has caught the dreaded pneumonia twice and it sucks the fluids out of you quicker than Dracula on an unsupervised visit at the blood bank. He was in hospital for a few days on each occassion, and whilst it was unpleasant, he was monitored round the clock and he made a full recovery.

Typical religioustards - like rats leaving a sinking ship, they always abandon when the going gets tough. :mad:

[Darwinsbulldog]

Hi everyone.

Well my mother has pneumonia. Her doctor wanted her to go to hospital, but she wouldn't go. I'd like to blame religion but I can't on this occassion, mum confessed that her OCD is not so good and the idea hospital frightened her. Which I can understand, because I get the same thing.

So I am ploughing her with DVD's and she seems to be enjoying them. Which is a bonus.

Have seen nor heard from her religitard "friends" though...how very christian of them.

My wife had pneumonia-it's no fun at all. [Strangely enough, she got it while working at Notre Dame uni as a Law Lecturer. :p] As for the religious "friends" they are probably busy praying for her-an excuse for doing nothing at all, and saves on transport costs visiting your mum.

[Logic please]

Agree with Blackadder and DB.

Hi Pinky, don't want to alarm you, however my personal (non-expert) experience is that pneumonia is not to be trifled with. I've had acquaintances, and people even closer to me, contract pneumonia recently, and in a few cases, recovery was 4-6 weeks, and involved lengthy (ie: multiple weeks) hospitalisation. If in any doubt, call an ambulance pronto.

It was going around badly last winter, and was being contracted even by not-at-risk groups (eg: young and healthy). It can also be complicated by things like swine flu.

No doubt you will be guided by the doctor's advice, it was just that, in my experience, even this proved inadequate initially.

[riddlemethis]

Pinky if your mum has pneumonia she needs to be in hospital, full stop. She's just returned from a long haul flight and goodness knows what she was exposed to whilst away. Don't mess with this, if doc says she needs hospital, then she needs it - you know this with your background. Frankly while she's there you can get her mental health status observed on the QT. Win win!

[Pinky]

Pinky if your mum has pneumonia she needs to be in hospital, full stop. She's just returned from a long haul flight and goodness knows what she was exposed to whilst away. Don't mess with this, if doc says she needs hospital, then she needs it - you know this with your background. Frankly while she's there you can get her mental health status observed on the QT. Win win!

Gosh I wish it were that easy..Her Doc is an old friend and has been visiting her and I call her every couple of hours and my bro and sis-in-law have been checking on her too. She has promised me that she will call 000 and get them to call me.

She can barely speak but she wont listen, I can't force her unfortunately, no matter how mental i know she is. And I know that she would listen to her Doc if he told her she had too go. I'm glad that she isn't that silly.

Her doctor said she's much better, that the fever side has broken just need to clear up her chest, which is going to take months due to my mother having severe scaling of the lungs from the two chronic pneumonia episodes she's had as a child, both of which nearly killed her.

The good news is I have her to myself for a few weeks and can keep drip feeding her. She's 'loving' all the animal doco's and "isn't it amazing how they can link the apes etc by DNA" I'm happy with my results so far :D

I don't know how she got it, I'm thinking the plane trip started it off and then she got back to Melbourne and it is freezing, her body just can't take it anymore. I've also talked her into cutting back on work so things are looking up, as long as the Monstrous Religitards are held at bay.

[wolty]

The good news is I have her to myself for a few weeks and can keep drip feeding her. She's 'loving' all the animal doco's and "isn't it amazing how they can link the apes etc by DNA" I'm happy with my results so far :D



That is cool. Maybe even some books on some selected subjects as well. When she's not watching, she can be reading. :) Maybe even "The Greatest Show on Earth" if you think she is up for it.

[riddlemethis]

Gosh I wish it were that easy..Her Doc is an old friend and has been visiting her and I call her every couple of hours and my bro and sis-in-law have been checking on her too. She has promised me that she will call 000 and get them to call me.

She can barely speak but she wont listen, I can't force her unfortunately, no matter how mental i know she is. And I know that she would listen to her Doc if he told her she had too go. I'm glad that she isn't that silly.

Her doctor said she's much better, that the fever side has broken just need to clear up her chest, which is going to take months due to my mother having severe scaling of the lungs from the two chronic pneumonia episodes she's had as a child, both of which nearly killed her.

The good news is I have her to myself for a few weeks and can keep drip feeding her. She's 'loving' all the animal doco's and "isn't it amazing how they can link the apes etc by DNA" I'm happy with my results so far :D

I don't know how she got it, I'm thinking the plane trip started it off and then she got back to Melbourne and it is freezing, her body just can't take it anymore. I've also talked her into cutting back on work so things are looking up, as long as the Monstrous Religitards are held at bay.

OK, I'm glad she's being heavily monitored. Pneumonia is rife at the moment apparently & the other thing to consider is whether she came home via a tropical country (where a stop over picked up passengers from the tropics) as she may have Mycoplasma (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mycoplasma_pneumoniae) which can be extremely persistent & frequently antibiotic resistant. If she doesn't fare as well as the doc expects have him test for this type of pneumonia (if he hasn't already of course). I contracted it when we lived in Singapore, where it is extremely common - it's colloquially known as 'walking pneumonia' and was sick for three months & I'm fit and healthy!

At least this gives you the time with her to effect your cunning plan! It's a pretty good one too I think - plenty of opportunity for penny dropping conversations, but of course you'll need to tread very carefully; if she cotton's on too soon that this is you presenting the evidence for why she's wrong on the gawd-shit, she might not be terribly happy. I hope it all goes well for you guys in any case.