Inside the new ipad

[davo]

http://i.imgur.com/JDbjc.png

[Jez]

*cough* i for one will be lining up to by one, when it is released....

How about you guys?

[two dogs]

*cough* i for one will be lining up to by one, when it is released....

How about you guys?
Not until that Steve Jobs prick allows it to run Abobe Flash (which is very unlikely).

[davo]

Yea the flash thing sux, tho the iPad is still totally awesome for just curling up on the couch, tapping around the net, reading email, blog surfing etc .. comfy factor is a lot higher than a laptop.

[two dogs]

Yea the flash thing sux, tho the iPad is still totally awesome for just curling up on the couch, tapping around the net, reading email, blog surfing etc .. comfy factor is a lot higher than a laptop.
The "comfy factor" is why I initially considered purchasing one, but a lot of my web activity involves accessing educational sites, like O'Reilly Safari (http://safari.oreilly.com) and Lynda.com (http://www.lynda.com/), which use Flash for their video presentations. If/when those sites are accessible from an iPad, I may well buy one.

[Jez]

AFA forums will be iPad compatible i would assume, thats got to be a plus

[Bradley]

*cough* i for one will be lining up to by one, when it is released....

How about you guys?
I waited until the 3GS was out before I got an iPhone, and I'm going to try to do the same thing again with the iPad. Second- or third-generation is where Apple usually nail it. I just have to have the willpower to wait!

Not until that Steve Jobs prick allows it to run Abobe Flash (which is very unlikely).
Other than Flash games, is there a need for Flash? YouTube and most major video websites have moved to straight H.264, and apart from that I'd say the vast majority of Flash content on the web is advertising. Sure, I get frustrated by the odd Flash-only website on my iPhone, but I think that's more the fault of the website developer not providing a HTML alternative.

I don't think, considering the crashy and buggy nature of Flash, it's worth the hassle. Even concerning Flash games... they are mostly designed for mouse/keyboard interaction and would have to be completely re-written for the iPad anyway.

[GenericBox]

Flash is actually pretty powerful. As a designer I love it. It's 10 times better than html - if you have an audience with fast download speeds.

As for youtube... forgive the noobiness, but isn't H.264 just the encoding used? (Quicktime .mov), youTube has and always has used flash to stream the videos.

Or is that changed/wrong?

[Logic]

As a marketer, flash is terrible for SEO (google results), when google decides it will spider flash files it will be a whole different ball game.

[Bradley]

Flash is actually pretty powerful. As a designer I love it. It's 10 times better than html - if you have an audience with fast download speeds.

As a marketer, flash is terrible for SEO (google results), when google decides it will spider flash files it will be a whole different ball game.
As a web user Flash fucking sucks. Designers abuse Flash and think that their wonderful "dynamic" website is anything other than annoying! And then they decide that no one could possibly hate Flash, so they don't provide an alternative. Straight HTML for me, please.

As for youtube... forgive the noobiness, but isn't H.264 just the encoding used? (Quicktime .mov), youTube has and always has used flash to stream the videos.

Or is that changed/wrong?
HTML5 added support for <video> tags, meaning you don't need a browser plugin to serve video. YouTube offers all of their videos in direct H.264 natively for modern browsers which support HTML5, and the iPhone/iPad/etc. Most major video websites are doing the same too.

[davo]

I hate flash, http://www.scribd.com for instance are moving away from it, check out their demo of html5 .
If it was not for IE the web would be so much further ahead.

[Kosmos]

H.264 support isn't quite all it should be. HTML 5 is an open standard, but Microsoft and Apple are endorsing the closed standards licensed by the MPEG LA organisation, (who funnily both Apple and Microsoft are members of).

It reminds me of the old .gif file format license that Unisys tried to force every webhost to pay. There is nothing to prevent a similar abuse orccurring to a closed system..

Meanwhile there is an open standard for HD video called Theora, however MPEG LA is assembling a patent portfolio to try to kill the open and free competition.

[Sir Patrick Crocodile]

You know, they've been after Linux trying to kill Linux for years now. Of course that hasn't happened yet. :)

What we really need is a guy who can jump up and down to Gloria Estefan music and yell "DEVELOPERS! DEVELOPERS! DEVELOPERS! DEVELOPERS!" - then there will be some real competition. :D

As for IE: it should have never existed in the first place, and certainly not "integrated" into Windows ever!

[KeithW]

Flash ads flashing at me were driving me crazy so I now use the Firefox extention Flashblock. Works brilliantly. Flash might be good from a developers point of view but from a users end I can't stand the way a lot od websites use it.

I don't need to see some flash animation before I get into someones website. Unless I'm really interested in a site, if one of these flash animations comes up I click and go somewhere else. Flashblock is your friend.

[davo]

As a web user Flash fucking sucks. Designers abuse Flash and think that their wonderful "dynamic" website is anything other than annoying! And then they decide that no one could possibly hate Flash, so they don't provide an alternative. Straight HTML for me, please.


The reality is usability. Usability is generally lost with flash as graphical designers tend to use it to create and direct imagery with no consideration of usability at all. It encourages them too. It is purely for the whizz bang effect, which is tiresome if you are wanting something functional. It's also a total break away from any other standard type format on browsing a site, particularly with many flash implementation the user is expected to 'learn' how to browse the website, while being exposed to all this stuff that the designer thinks should 'move' just because it can.

http://www.webpagesthatsuck.com/when-good-flash-goes-bad.html

With regards HTML5, the video tag can manage various codecs, notably Ogg Theora and H.264 as the most common :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML5_video

Note how the two major powerhouses M$ and Apple don't support the open format.

[Spud Henley]

Steve Jobs blows. All Apple crap never works! More reliable than MS my ass, they are both as bad as each other. Think Mac rocks, well why do you need stupid Itunes and it's almost weekly updates to get it to work? Drag and drop to hard?

I re-iterate - Steve Jobs blows.