Tips on arguing with athiests, sceptics and darwinists

[davo]

Yes, the title is on purpose, this is a Poe (http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/Poe%27s_Law) game (If you don't know what that means (http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/Poe%27s_Law), you are quite welcome to join, in fact, encouraged too).

The topic :

"Tips on arguing with athiests, sceptics and darwinists"

Rules :

- Post a tip for other god fearing folk on the best way to approach discussions with these evil satan worshiping science idolators and their lies as a god fearing folk.

- Keep responses as short as possible and covering one point, enough to get your concept across.

- Feel free to expand on previous tips theme, please link to the previous tip where possible or include it as a quote.

- Responses to the facts presented rather than a tip or expansion, must contain references and include the quoted post (in essence) or link to it.

- the betterer your tip the betterer ;) aim to really make a good argument :)

[davo]

Everything is caused by something, atheists don't accept that, they think everything came from nothing. Ask them how can something come from nothing!!

There is a law of cause & effect - in order to have an effect, there has to be a cause. Nothing can exist without a cause

checkmate.

[Praxis]

Theists: all you ever need to say in response to absolutely anything an atheist/skeptic/Darwinist says is (now pay attention here)

1. "goddidit"
2. "godsaidit"
3. "godtoldme"
4. or that old stalwart "it's in the bible/Qu'ran/Women's Weekly Cookbook so it must be true" (ignore the fact that many atheists have actually read your book and you haven't - you're still right and they're horribly wrong okay? Hold onto that - you'll need it as their reason and logic attempt to drill a burr hole in your brain to try and make you think. RESIST! It's what god wants you to do!

The atheists will quake with fear because of the certainty and force of your responses. Also, make sure you type in capitals, use bold and don't worry if you can't spell and don't even know that the word grammar has two a's in it - the atheists will get especially upset if your spelling is atrosci ... atrosh ... artrosiu ... bloody awful.

There. How'd I do Davo?

[Loki]

The truth of god is in the bible.

The bible can be used as an argument for it's own truth, after all it is perfect. That theists have been searching for 4000 years for some evidence outside of the bible and have found none only proves how perfect it is.

Atheists will ask you for evidence from outside the bible, but you don't have to provide any. Atheists are evil and tricksy and are trying to force you to think. Resist.

[davo]

Remember that big pharma makes money from you being sick.
Vaccines are one way they do this.
Look to stuff like homeopathy which is all natural and can cure cancer.
Natural medicine is the answer, christian science your lifeline

[Praxis]

Dawkins won't debate you because he's scared that you're right.

[davo]

Remember that new genus does not happen. This is because god made kinds of creatures.
This is the creationist 'forest'. Micro evolution only happens within a kind.
There is a global conspiracy to cover this up.
Try and get the darwinists to explain why there is no new genus.

[rag]

god is a being possesing all the perfections. existance is perfection, so god exists:eek:

[davo]

Why do people laugh at evilutionits?

REVEALLED!!!@!!!!!

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[Darwinsbulldog]

Don't over-react to Darwinists, rational skeptics, realists and materialists. Don't defend god, because remember, our lord has the infinite powers of: omnipotence, omniscience, omnipresence and omnibenevolence.

Also invoke post-modernism and relativism, especially the radical kind. Miss-quote or quote-mine [cherry-pick] Thomas Kuhn, Stephen Jay Gould, Charles Darwin and even Richard Dawkins.

God is self-evidently true, and therefore does not need defending.

[loubert]

arrrrr. you're doing my head in guys.,..;););)

[nettybetty]

Darwin took it back on his deathbed, and every atheist prays when in trouble, therefore they can't really be atheists and God really exists.

And remember, Hitler and Stalin were atheists, which just proves all atheists are evil....

And in regards to science, make sure to quote the famous "Science without religion is lame" quote from Einstein, and utilise any quote in context or not from well respected scientists regarding God as evidence that smart people agree God exists, and therefore he must.

[wearestardust]

Paul Davies is a scientist and he is sympathetic to religion, so all the other atheist scientists are wrong.

Antony Flew, after a lifetime of being a publicly atheist intellectual, changed his mind and was convinced by the argument from design that, at its origin in the big bang, the universe was created by an intelligence. This proves the correctness of every aspect of xian doctrine.

[Sir Patrick Crocodile]

This is more of a "WARNING" than a "TIP" but here goes:

Quotemining is a no no. If you are going to tell us that we took a quote from your religious text "out of context" then quotemining is strictly prohibited, unless you want to be labeled as an intellectually dishonest hypocrite.

And another thing: the "wrong translations" argument won't work either, unless you can answer the question "How do you know your translation is correct, and mine is wrong?" with a rational and logical answer.

[davo]

croc ... your supposed to Poe it (http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/Poe%27s_Law) ;)

in other words, put forward an argument as a believer, the better argument the betterer ;) hehehe

I tried avoiding that in the OP .. maybe I should have made it clearer than a subtle reference .. I wanted it to be google fodder for searches :) hehe

EDIT: fixed the OP

[wolty]

The existence of beauty explains that there is a god.

And also god created us in his image therefore we are perfect and this proves god.

[Sir Patrick Crocodile]

Remember to KEEP THE CAPS LOCK KEY IN THE NAME OF GOD and to capitalize HOLY and RELIGIOUS WORDs such as GOD and LORD and APPLE MACINTOSH for example.

Also, don't forget to threaten the skeptic with eternal damnation if he says something. Remember: you want to convert him to your religion.

[wolty]

You cannot prove that god doesn't exist.
You also cannot prove that god didn't create the universe.
You also really cannot prove anything.

Done, did I win something? :D

[wearestardust]

The existence of beauty explains that there is a god.



too close! (http://www.sydney.catholic.org.au/news/latest_news/2010/2010210_246.shtml)

I will continue to believe in the one true God of love because I maintain that no atheist can explain the smile of a child,
quoth Pope Palpatine's chief representative in Oz.

[wolty]

too close! (http://www.sydney.catholic.org.au/news/latest_news/2010/2010210_246.shtml)


quoth Pope Palpatine's chief representative in Oz.

Yes but all the other things I said have not been discounted, therefore there must be a god. :D

[Kid]

And when all else fails (even the 'you've taken that bible quote out of context; you have to read the entire passage, and relate that to the bible as a whole' or 'The Old Testament no longer applies as our Lord gave us a New Testament'), then 'I will pray for you' will ensure the last word. Also, 'I hope you find Jesus soon', to reinforce the message before you leave their forums with your faith unshaken.

[Sir Patrick Crocodile]

Don't forget to accuse all the admin and mod team of utter censorship and violation of free speech rights and the freedom of information rights whenever you get restricted to Fantasy Island and make several posts in several threads about how you feel violated because you cannot post.

[Loki]

What Croc said, and remember it's your right to wibble on ad infinitum about nothing. Forumites insisting you answer their questions or provide information you have promised are bullies, and you should respond by blubbing on abut censorship.

[wearestardust]

ask for help with understanding your own faith.

[Sir Patrick Crocodile]

Remember: all those religious serial killers, mass murderers, con artists, rapist, and politicians are all using the wrong translation of your religion. Your translation is correct, and everybody else is wrong. Those bigots are actually athiests (and yes it is spelt "A-T-H-IE-S-T" you see - athiests don't know shit about speling an gramer) in disguise.

How do you know? Conservapedia to the rescue! Remember that athiests (like me) are all immoral close-minded devil worshippers who eat babies in 3 meals.

Did you know atheists are emulators of Hitler and Stalin who had something to do with the theory of evolution?

[Biblical Historian]

Not sure if anyone has seen this http://au.christiantoday.com/article/christian-philosopher-proposes-theory-to-atheism/7842.htm already, it came out before my time joining this forum. But this is how you argue against atheism or athiesm, I don't know how too spelled it, i'm two dummy.

A quotes from the article:

While atheists insist that their foundational reason for rejecting God is the problem of evil or the scientific irrelevance of the supernatural, the Christian philosopher says the argument is "only a ruse" or "a conceptual smoke screen to mask the real issue – personal rebellion."

"The rejection of God is a matter of will, not of intellect," he asserts.

"Atheism is not the result of objective assessment of evidence, but of stubborn disobedience; it does not arise from the careful application of reason but from willful rebellion. Atheism is the suppression of truth by wickedness, the cognitive consequence of immorality.

"In short, it is sin that is the mother or unbelief"

[wearestardust]

Not sure if anyone has seen this http://au.christiantoday.com/article/christian-philosopher-proposes-theory-to-atheism/7842.htm already,


That is one of the most breathtakingly offensive things I have ever read.

[prolisp]

The atheist's weakness is that (s)he believes everything comes from nothing. But they won't admit this! They refuse to submit to their Lord, whom they hate. All atheists are therefore devil-worshippers.

There can be no actual infinities because infinity minus infinity is self contradictory, and without God, logic is inconsistent and false and therefore our eternal Lord logically created everything and loves us and doesn't want us making babies with others of the same gender. Atheists always say there's a problem with "infinite regression" but God has existed forever, how can they keep making this mistake? It's so blatantly obvious.

Also, God created us to have free will so we could choose to go to Heaven or Hell and this world is to prepare our souls for the unending life we get at the end. They will ask why God bothered making us go through a test which could send us to eternal damnation, but they are blind to the truth! Our Lord God always works in mysterious ways and trying to understand it is futile.

In conclusion, these God-hating devil-worshipping atheists believe the most ridiculous things and have as much faith as our religion, so they're no better nor more intelligent than us and their beliefs also have no evidence! Remember, we are too intelligent to believe in the evolutionist doctrine.

[wearestardust]

That is one of the most breathtakingly offensive things I have ever read.

little did I Know (http://www.atheistfoundation.org.au/forums/showpost.php?p=70364&postcount=26)

[loubert]

Remember, when using holy or god inspired evidence, that 2 things apply.



You do not need to link, it's not up to you to prove gods existence.
If you do really have to link (in other words your own faith isn't enough), than make sure that it has nothing to do with nasty scientist's (as most satan...scientist's are tainted) and everything to do with the holy book.

[wearestardust]

Don't look for facts for yourself. Rely on other theists to tell you what to think.

[Sir Patrick Crocodile]

Turn your post into a micro-link-farm and just post links to random pieces of shit. After all, that is evidence that God exists right?

Also, remember to quote ginormous long texts that you have never ever read before. All you have to do is look for "God" or "Jesus" in the text.

The longer the text, and the more complicated the words, the more credibility it will have.

[knowledge is power]

Don't forget to pull them up on the absense of the 'missing link'.
Where are all the transitional fossils?
And the ultimate debate winner -
'If we're descended from monkeys, why are there still monkeys around?'

That'll stump 'em.

[Praxis]

I don't know if anyone has brought this up yet (because I haven't bothered to check :o ) but never forget that fruit is your friend in the fight against the nonbelievers!

Yes, the humble banana is absolute proof of god with its "intelligent design". Make sure you remind the atheists of this and how perfectly a banana fits in your hand, making it easy to eat. Intelligent isn't it? Only god could do such a thing. Just ask Kirk Cameron!

[Annie]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Biblical Historian http://www.atheistfoundation.org.au/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.atheistfoundation.org.au/forums/showthread.php?p=70311#post70311)
Not sure if anyone has seen this http://au.christiantoday.com/article...heism/7842.htm (http://au.christiantoday.com/article/christian-philosopher-proposes-theory-to-atheism/7842.htm) already,

"Atheism is not the result of objective assessment of evidence, but of stubborn disobedience; it does not arise from the careful application of reason but from willful rebellion. Atheism is the suppression of truth by wickedness, the cognitive consequence of immorality.
"In short, it is sin that is the mother or unbelief."

Basically, we are all just wicked and immoral?? What a limited understanding of atheism! Unfortunately, i tend to think there are so many out there who have such a limited understanding of atheism. Oops... sorry Ive gone off the point. Bye.

[Sir Patrick Crocodile]

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there is a god her created all of us the only one who is blinded are the unsaved and stuburn everything darwin said is wrong and evolution has never been proven and nothing is evolving now the bible is the best book nothing even comes close to its accuracy and if you think gods judgement is bad the devil has worse in store for all unbelievers

Ubuv iz aa fien exhampel ov creotard gramer ritten prufeshunnalley becoz GOD iz moar impotent dan ejucayshun en speeking liek ay prufeshinul creotard iz impotent becoz itt maeks iit un popooler athiest whebbsights (http://richarddawkins.net/theUgly)

[Darwinsbulldog]

We must also recognize the delicious value of guilt. What would be the point of masturbation without guilt? This is what religion gives people-the fine gift of masochism.
Self-abuse, self flagellation, lot of other things, praise the Lord! If religion did not exist, then what excuse could one have for wearing a gold miniature torture device around one's neck?

[Seamus]

I've long been bemused by the fact that no Christian I've ever met sees any problem in having "free will to choose to obey God or go to hell".


That sounds suspiciously like coercion to me,so having free will becomes irrelevant.. The argument is disingenuous at best.

[Lord Blackadder]

I don't know if anyone has brought this up yet (because I haven't bothered to check :o ) but never forget that fruit is your friend in the fight against the nonbelievers!

Yes, the humble banana is absolute proof of god with its "intelligent design". Make sure you remind the atheists of this and how perfectly a banana fits in your hand, making it easy to eat. Intelligent isn't it? Only god could do such a thing. Just ask Kirk Cameron!

There are other things that fit perfectly into my hand.

But apprently I will go to Hell for that... :p

[davo]

(If Comfort was at all worthwhile, he would illustrate his point with the Turnip.)

or the coconut.

[Annie]

Coconut? Banana and turnip I understand as I would carrot, cucumber and zucchini, but coconut? :confused:

[Atrax Robustus]

( a pineapple would be far more entertaining viewing . . .)

Back on topic:


Remind them that Newton was a devout christian at every possible opportunity.
If they use a powerful argument against you simply redefine it to suit your own argument.
Ignore any argument that you can't refute - raise another unrelated issue.
Remember - evidence is subjective.
If things are getting complex, invoke the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics.
Remind them that Dawkins is their prophet, and On the Origins of Species is their bible.
The Theory of Evolution cannot be falsified.
Everyone accepts and understands micro-evolution - but a dog has NEVER given birth to a cat.

[Annie]

The others are quite straightforward (or ass-backward, I guess), but the coconut is Pythonian and requires swallows.

Ohhhhhh! I get it!!! :D:D:D

[Seamus]

or the coconut.

OR as we say in my neck of the woods "the rough end of a pineapple":D