For some reason, this doesn't seem right.

[aoichan]

I have a neighbor who is one of the "The Earth is 6000 years old, and Evolution is a lie" crowd, but is a nice guy and we have theological debates all the time. Now apparently my neighbor has mentioned that I look up a website about Noah's ark being found as proof of not only the Bible being correct, but also, the world being 6000 years old as well.
Here's the site: http://www.arkdiscovery.com/noah%27s_ark.htm

I looked at it for about 5 minutes, and my bullshit-sense started tingling something awful. Especially when I found out about the bent. So, any opinions?

[SchizoDeluxe]

Ask him if he also believes the earth is flat and that the sun revolves around us. If no, then tell him to join us in the 21st century.

[Brad]

"Aluminum metal and titanium metal was found in the fittings which are MAN-MADE metals! "

Darn right they are. Titanium wasn't discovered until 1791 and wasn't used outside the lab until 1932 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanium). It would appear that Moses was a little ahead of the times when it came to metalurgy.

[wearestardust]

" It would appear that Moses was a little ahead of the times when it came to metalurgy.

That would be Noah, not Moses. Oh nose! An athiest got a fact wrong! God exists after all!


More seriously: there is no debating people with these sorts of views. They make the facts fit, in their heads, what they want to believe. So point by point refutation will not help. Note, for example, that we are encouraged to "prayerfully" consider the evidence.

[loubert]

thats because it isn't.

just did a little research, Ron wyatt, by the look of it, has never been arrested in saudi arabia....

After Mr Wyatt found this site in 1984, and visited it again a year later, the Saudi government erected a fence and a guard house preventing access to the Holy Precinct area at the foot of the mountain on the eastern side. The sign above states, "Archaeological area...unlawful to trespass, subject to penalty." When Ron and his two sons made their fist trip into Saudi Arabia, they were accused of being spies and were held prisoner for two months, awaiting execution. After Ron helped to heal many sick prisoners, the authorities listened to his story and accompanied him to the column at the Saudi beach, then to Mt. Sinai. It was then they believed him, but they had to confiscate his photographs before letting him go.


So why should we lend any credence to anything else that is said in those pages.

just skimming through it now. Pretty much the entire thing looks fabricated using photo's ect. I couldn't find any reference to a lot of those photo's used.

[ugu80]

I've seen this site before, long ago on some documentary, all good hocus pocus until they interviewed a geologist at the site who explained exactly how it occurred (volcanic origin I believe), all totally natural, then showed other very similar formations from various parts of the globe formed by similar geological forces.

[davo]

It is a total scam.

Even the most rabid literalist christians in the world know this was a scam.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v14/i4/report.asp

http://www.tentmaker.org/WAR/index.html

[aoichan]

Unfortunately my neighbor (who is also a friend, a rarity for someone with Aspergers) seems to be really convinced it's real. I was able to smell the bullshit about this through the computer monitor myself.

The thing is, I don't debate to convert. I simply debate him A: because he tends to make it rather fun, and B: to pretty much kill off the false conceptions he has regarding the scientific method and it's tools.

[davo]

All you can do it point him to the links I gave and the fact that it is other christians confronting this as these people are ripping off well meaning christians that fall for it.

[nari]

Geology doesn't lie.
Theists looking for evidence of a ship could find quite a few bits and pieces of rock which could be interpreted (by themselves) as bits of wood coming off a vessel. Easy to do.

As the saying goes: Make the features fit.

nari

[Loki]

Even that paragon of integrity and virtue AnswersInGenesis thinks it's a hoax.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2002/0419arkdiscovery.asp

It's a fake.

If it were real someone somewhere other than the authors would have seen at least some of the "artifacts".

It's not a boat, it's not even boat shaped, but from the photo it could be the largest fossilized sperm ever seen (except the region is volcanic, more reason it is a fake).

[Lord Blackadder]

I'm pretty sure this is the one that Geology Professor Ian Plimer of the University of Melbourne shot down in flames over fifteen years ago. He wrote a book about his battles with Creationists called Telling Lies For God: Reason vs Creationism.

[Kosmos]

I have a neighbor who is one of the "The Earth is 6000 years old, and Evolution is a lie" crowd, but is a nice guy and we have theological debates all the time. Now apparently my neighbor has mentioned that I look up a website about Noah's ark being found as proof of not only the Bible being correct, but also, the world being 6000 years old as well.
Here's the site: http://www.arkdiscovery.com/noah%27s_ark.htm

I looked at it for about 5 minutes, and my bullshit-sense started tingling something awful. Especially when I found out about the bent. So, any opinions?


One mating pair of any species simply does NOT supply enough genetic diversity to sustain and rebuild a species. Additionally, I find it most amusing that in order to have two of every species Noah would have had to travel the world first to acquire species that are not native to the land where the ark was constructed.

Once the waters subside would Noah then travel the world again and release the animals in their correct habitats? Given that the world was supposedly flat and all, I find this to be most doubtful. If the sky fairy did his job right all the infrastructure would have been washed away by the imaginary fury he unleashed. One would assume that Noah would need to be relatively well equipped (especially when it comes to Snow Leopards and their natural habitat, or the Amur leopard and theirs).

We also know that it simply didn't happen simply because at that point around the world there were any number of other ancient indigenous cultures that were active. How about the Aboriginal's in Australia, or the Native American's or their progenitors? I'm pretty certain that their cultures weren't exterminated by god's wrath at mankind. So either the imaginary sky fairy was very specifically pissed and flooded one tiny region of the planet (which isn't specifically mentioned in the book of fairytales) or someone is full of shit.

I could go on, but the fact that there are people who believe this nonsense is quite depressing.

[atheist_angel]

Yeah, there was another Noah's Ark hoax perpetrated by Ron Wyatt (http://wyattmuseum.com/) et al.

His most famous hoax was finding the Ark of the Covenant. He couldn't reveal too much about it because of a disagreement between him and this or that foreign government, that allegedly 'didn't want the world to know the truth'. (naturally.:rolleyes:)

:eek: But that's ok, because "testimony" and "tears" seemed to get him much more Christian support than evidence ever could.

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