Discovering The Wingmakers

[DarkHorse]

There is a new belief system evolving at a site called The Wingmakers (http://www.wingmakers.com) which ultimately may be the religion that takes over from ... maybe Christianity, since the latter has lost credibility and is stale.

The Wingmakers site has some lovely music, different art and a swag of philosophy for anyone interested. However, it's greatest flaw is that it has a God (First Source) that is responsible for all. Interestingly, this source is so very far away in the multiverse that it cannot interact with us directly.

Yeah, I know, you've heard it all before. This is a bit more advanced and worth a surf if you have time as it does have some interesting stories and music.

[Fearless]

I don't really know how to respond to be honest... I don't think it will stand out as any major player in the field of religion, that is just my opinion.

Like a tame scientology spin off it's just another fantasy world that someone wants to make real.

But I must admit I didn't get into reading it... I really don't have any interest enough to want to... each to their own I guess.

I might invent my own fantasy story one day, who knows. Hell, if it makes me some sort of income it must be worth it.

[Praxis]

But, but ... where's the evidence? And what's advanced about yet another god thing?

As with all these creator-type things, is it yet another thing people are just meant to believe in without any evidence? Well, there's lots of sheep in the paddock and humanity is ever gullible so good luck to whoever is trying to make a buck out of yet another religion.

I haven't looked at the site and don't intend to. Fantasy has never been a favourite genre of mine.

DarkHorse, are you a bit of a theist at heart? I feel I have to ask this question and hope you take it in the spirit of inquiry as it is intended.

[Loki]

I might invent my own fantasy story one day, who knows. Hell, if it makes me some sort of income it must be worth it.

I have a feeling that's what L. Ron Hubbard thought. When he eventually realised what his fantasy had become he completely disowned it and made his revolt and disgust very clear. Didn't make a shred of difference and scientologists still use his name to market their particular brand of gibberish.

[GenericBox]

Sounds like the themes of a few sci-fi franchises. Religion for nerds?

A bit of Transformers (prime creator), Armageddon (meteorites), ET and Star Trek (Vulcan, really? - Roman god my ass).

[atheist_angel]

http://www.wingmakers.com/neruda1.html Sarah: "You're saying that if I walked right up to the site, I wouldn't be able to see it?"

Dr. Neruda: "Cloaking technology is not just a science fiction concept. It's been developed for more than ten years. It's used much more frequently than people realize. And I'm not talking about its diluted version of stealth technology; I'm talking about the ability to superimpose a reality construction over an existing reality that's desired to be hidden. ...just another grandchild of that Project Rainbow\Project Invisibility SH!T!"As the restoration was completed, I became increasingly focused on decoding their peculiar language and designing the translation indexes to English. It was a particularly vexing process because an optical disc was found in the twenty-third chamber, which was initially impregnable to our technologies. We assumed that the optical disc held most of the information that the WingMakers desired us to know about them. However, we couldn't figure out how to apply the symbol pictures found in their chamber paintings to unlock the disc.^^More Project Montauk children... Dr. Neruda: "The WingMakers have created a DNA template that is form-fitted to each of the seven superuniverses, enabling a unique and dominant soul carrier to emerge within each of the superuniverses. This soul carrier -- in our case -- is the human genotype. Within our genetic substrate is the inborn structure that will ultimately deliver our species to the central universe as a perfected species. The WingMakers have encoded this within our DNA, and set forth the natural and artificial trigger points that cause our genetic structures to alter and adapt. In this process, it activates parts of our nervous system that feed the brain with a much richer stream of data from our five senses and two additional senses that we have yet to consciously activate." ROTFLMAO! (http://quarkscrew.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/conspiracy.jpg)

[Dan Gleibitz]

this source is so very far away in the multiverse that it cannot interact with us directly

An impotent, imscient*, impresent* deity? Yay, for all intents and purposes the same as.... no deity.

They also claim to be able to perform the following paranormal abilities:
Teleport.
Walk through walls.
Perform telekinesis, cryokinesis, biokinesis, electrokinesis, cronokinesis.
Use astral projection.
View people's auras.
Employ telepathy and empathy.
Make psi balls.
Use clairvoyance.
Travel through space.
Make shields using energy.
Okay, that moves this religion from the 'merely irrelevant' box to 'clearly batshit insane'.




* My excuse: The absence of suitable antonyms.

[DarkHorse]

I have an open and enquiring mind ... I don't avoid something because I think it's a crock of dung, I prefer to explore different points of view. Once you start to believe you have the authorative answers, you become as bad as those who say, "God did it all, that's the end of it."

That doesn't make me a theist, it makes me a smart atheist.

[DarkHorse]

Mr Black, where did you get the information in your quotation above? I can't recall having seen any of it during my travels on the Wingmakers site? Links please?

[Fearless]

Mr Black, where did you get the information in your quotation above? I can't recall having seen any of it during my travels on the Wingmakers site? Links please?

He linked it in the post (above the quote)

http://www.indopedia.org/Wingmakers.html

[Fearless]

...Once you start to believe you have the authorative answers, you become as bad as those who say, "God did it all, that's the end of it."

That doesn't make me a theist, it makes me a smart atheist.

Thanks for sharing that, but are you saying if say I don't explore other beliefs out there I could become as bad as hard lined theists? or I just stay a dumb or mediocre Atheist?

I know enough to know, that I don't care to know, because it all reads the same in the end (so far)

Proof is where the pudding is... PROOF!

If I open that website (which I did) and all I see is words with no fact I am not going to waste any more time... because we all know to date that no one can prove any of this shit.

Doesn't make me a lesser Atheist, it just means I don't want to see what twisted mind fk story the next crack pot is concocting.

Grrrr :mad:

[Cosmic Teapot]

Woo!

LINKY (http://www.indopedia.org/Wingmakers.html)



Mr Black, where did you get the information in your quotation above? I can't recall having seen any of it during my travels on the Wingmakers site? Links please?
I thought his link was quite obvious but then again, I wasn't distracted by being defensive.

I have an open and enquiring mind ... I don't avoid something because I think it's a crock of dung, I prefer to explore different points of view. Once you start to believe you have the authorative answers, you become as bad as those who say, "God did it all, that's the end of it."

That doesn't make me a theist, it makes me a smart atheist.

Having an open mind is one thing but extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and they make some pretty wacky claims with not a shred of evidence. Most rational people would quickly deduce that the Wingmakers are shamefully inventive and prone to fictions.
What exactly is there to explore? How does wasting mental real estate on obvious pseudo-religious shams make you a "smart" atheist?

[Caio]

It kinda gets to thew point where you get tired of exploring and doing all the research on the various religions, only to get the same conclusion that its contradictory or just plain ridiculous. So you just skip straight to the "give me proof or bugger off" mentality, which is completly valid as per the burden of proof.
There is something like 40 to 50 thousand religions and denominations currently in existence, plus all the extinct ones on top of that. It's just impractical and unnecessary to give all fair thought, reading on them and then judging if they are valid.
The position that all religions are false until proven otherwise is valid and dependable, not lazy and it doesn't drag us down to their level of closed-mindedness. Although learning more on individual religions has it merits and benefits of one has the time and patience, it isn't necessary for one to be a 'smart atheist'.

[Jaar-Gilon]

I have an open and enquiring mind ... I don't avoid something because I think it's a crock of dung, I prefer to explore different points of view. Once you start to believe you have the authorative answers, you become as bad as those who say, "God did it all, that's the end of it."

That doesn't make me a theist, it makes me a smart atheist.

Here is a massive list of "different points of view" for you to not avoid!
Hope you are patient as well as smart, looks like you've got a lot of mental leg work ahead of you.
Shouldn't be a problem if you're an arabian dark horse!



3HO
Aaronic Order Maurice
Adidam, previously Free Daist Avabhasan Communion, Free Daist Communion, Crazy Wisdom Fellowship, Johannine Daist Community, Laughing Man Institute, Dawn Horse Communion, Free Primitive Church of Divine Communion, Free Communion Church, Dawn Horse Fellowship
Adonai-Shomo
Adventures in Enlightenment, A Foundation
Aetherius Society
African Church Incorporated
African Independent Churches, also known as African Initiated Churches
African Theological Archministry, previously Order of Damballah Hwedo Ancestor Priests, Shango Temple, and Yoruba Temple
Agasha Temple of Wisdom
Agni Yoga Society
Ahmadiyya Movement
Aladura
Aleph, previously known as Aum Shinrikyo
Altruria
Amana Church Society, also known as Church of True Inspiration
American World Patriarchs
American Zen College
Amica Temple of Radiance
Ananda Marga
Ancient British Church in North America
Ancient Mystical Order Rosae Crucis
Ancient Teachings of the Masters, also known as ATOM
Anglo-Saxon Federation of America
Ansaaru Allah Community
Anthroposophy
Antiochian Catholic Church in America
Arcane School
Arica School
Arya Samaj
Assembly of Yahweh
Association for Research and Enlightenment
Association of Vineyard Churches
Astara, Inc.
Aum Shinrikyo
Ausar Auset Society
Bahá'í Faith
Bawa Muhaiyaddeen Fellowship
Brahma Kumaris
Breatharians
British Israelism, also called Anglo-Israelism
Bruderhof, also known as the Hutterian Brethren and Hutterian Society of Brothers
Builders of the Adytum
Calvary Chapel
Candomblé
Cao Dai, also known as Dai Dao Tam Ky Pho Do
Cargo cults
CAUSA International
The Centers Network
Chabad
Charismatic Movement
Chen Tao, also called God's Salvation Church and God Saves the Earth Flying Saucer Foundation
Cheondoism, also called Chendogyo
Cherubim and Seraphim, also known as Sacred Cherubim and Seraphim Society and Eternal Sacred Order of Cherubim and Seraphim
Christadelphians
Church of All Worlds
Church of Aphrodit
Church of Daniel's Band
Church of Satan
Church of the Lamb of God
Church of the Living Word, also known as The Walk
Church of the Lord (Aladura)
Church of the Nazarene
Church of World Messianity
Church Universal and Triumphant
Collegiate Association for the Research of Principles, also known as CARP
Commandment Keepers: Holy Church of the Living God
A Course in Miracles
Covenant of the Goddess
Covenant of Unitarian Universalist Pagans
The Covenant, the Sword, and the Arm of the Lord
Crossroads Movement
Cyberchurches
Dances of Universal Peace
Dianic Wicca
Eckankar
Elan Vital (formerly Divine Light Mission)
Esoteric Nazism
Falun Gong
Family International, previously known as the Children of God, the Family of Love and the Family
Fellowship of Isis
Findhorn Foundation
Fire Baptized Holiness Church of God of the Americas
Foundation for A Course In Miracles
Fraternitas Rosae Crucis
Freedomites
Fundamentalist Christianity
General Assembly and Church of the First Born
General Church of the New Jerusalem
Ghost Dance
Grail Movement
Hanuman Foundation
Himalayan Institute of Yoga Science and Philosophy
"I AM" Activity
Independent Fundamental Churches of America
Insight Meditation Society
International Church of the Foursquare Gospel
International Society for Krishna Consciousness
John Frum
Karma Triyana Dharmachakra
Kemetic Orthodoxy
Kerista
Konkokyo
Kripalu Center
Lama Foundation
Landmark Education
Lectorium Rosicrucianum
The Living Word Fellowship
Local Church movement
Lucis Trust
Mahikari
Maranatha Campus Ministries
Mazdaznan
Meher Baba followers
Mita Congregation
Moody Church
Moorish Science Temple of America
Moral Re-Armament
Movement of Spiritual Inner Awareness
Namdhari
National Spiritualist Association of Churches
Native American Church
New Kadampa Tradition
New Reformed Orthodox Order of the Golden Dawn
New Thought
Oomoto
Opus Dei
Ordo Templi Orientis
Peoples Temple
Philosophical Research Society
Pilgrims of Arès
Plymouth Brethren
Radha
Rainbow Family
Rajneesh movement
Rama computer cult
Rastafari
Reformed Druids of North America
Religious Science
Risshō Kōsei Kai
Rosicrucian Fellowship
Sacred Name Movement
Sahaja Yoga
Saiva Siddhanta Church
Sant Nirankari Mission
Sawan Kirpal Ruhani Mission
Scientology
Self-Realization Fellowship
Shakers
Shiloh Youth Revival Centers
Shinnyo-en
Shinreikyo
Sivananda Yoga Vedanta Centres
Soka Gakkai International
Subud
Sufi Ruhaniat International
Sukyo Mahikari
Summum
Tenrikyo
Toronto Blessing
Transcendental Meditation
Twelve Tribes
Umbanda
Unification Church
Union of Messianic Jewish Congregations
Unitarian Universalism
United Holy Church of America
United House of Prayer for All People
United Israel World Union
United Lodge of Theosophists
United Pentecostal Church International
Unity Church
Universal Great Brotherhood
Universal Life Church
Universal White Brotherhood
Urantia Foundation
Vajradhatu
Vedanta Society
Volunteers of America
The Way International
White Eagle Lodge
Wicca
The Word Foundation
Zion's Order, Inc.

[Cosmic Teapot]

Dark Horse,

I found a new religion with interesting art and music I think you might be interested in.
Send me $100 for printing and postage and I'll send you an information pack to read. Now you know it exists, can't have you being a "dumb" atheist by not exploring it's point of view.

[atheist_angel]

Yeah, I know, you've heard it all before.
This is a bit more advanced and worth a surf...
Sure have. :p
It's all a bunch of failed BS conspiracy theories (old ones)
interwoven with a bunch of failed BS ET theories and pseudosciences.

(It's SO 'recycled'!) There is nothing 'advanced' about it.
It was all debunked and categorized as woo the first time. ;)

Why would I want to give any consideration to that? :confused:
Recycling the woo, doesn't give it grounds for 'new' consideration.

[DarkHorse]

Well, I guess I asked for all that vitriol ... and got it.

Thanks for all your considered and often lengthy responses.

[Brad]

I have an open and enquiring mind ... I don't avoid something because I think it's a crock of dung, I prefer to explore different points of view. Once you start to believe you have the authorative answers, you become as bad as those who say, "God did it all, that's the end of it."

That doesn't make me a theist, it makes me a smart atheist.

I thought it sounded like a crock of dung. I did a quick investigation and it turned out to be...a crock of dung. I shall not be making further enquiries in that particular direction.

I'm all for having an open mind. But if it's too open, there's a chance that your brains may fall out.