Naturally-occurring characteristics which attract religious persecution

[Elbert]

Greetings David. Enjoy yourself here.
Please don't think that religion is out to get just you. They show bigotry and hatred to lots of different people.

This is an interesting assertion. Sexual orientation is merely another individual characteristic determined in the womb, and therefore beyond the control of the individual; no different from eye colour, skin colour, foot size and whether or not one is hirsute. Can you tell me what other naturally occurring individual characteristics religions persecute people for? :confused:

[wolty]

This is an interesting assertion. Sexual orientation is merely another individual characteristic determined in the womb, and therefore beyond the control of the individual; no different from eye colour, skin colour, foot size and whether or not one is hirsute. Can you tell me what other naturally occurring individual characteristics religions persecute people for? :confused:


I was using it in the context of all religions having some hatred and bigotry towards different peoples than their religion, eg Moslems against christians, everyone against jews, christians against homosexuals, god against women and so on.
My point was to DavidB, don't be paranoid about religion being out to get you, because they are all out to get someone.
Wasn't meant in a bad way and I hope it didn't sound offensive, because that was never the intention.

[atheist_angel]

Can you tell me what other naturally occurring individual characteristics religions persecute people for? :confused:Not having jewish DNA, maybe? It's always been that way, except for a few historical moments when the reverse was true.
But of course, now, there is persecution on both sides. What a mess!

[Sir Patrick Crocodile]

This is an interesting assertion. Sexual orientation is merely another individual characteristic determined in the womb, and therefore beyond the control of the individual; no different from eye colour, skin colour, foot size and whether or not one is hirsute. Can you tell me what other naturally occurring individual characteristics religions persecute people for? :confused:In Islam people are "persecuted" (ie. exterminated and/or shunned out) for the following: Not being a follower of Islam Not allowing someone to follow Islam Not spreading Islam around Being a woman who is divorced Being a female adulterer Being female who has betrayed her husband Betraying Allah Betraying Muhammed Placing the Quran on the ground (yes - it is a deadly sin) Placing the turban on the ground (another deadly sin) Reading a Quran and/or wearing any garment not considered to be namazi - ie. dropped on the ground etc (without giving it a "holy kiss") Praying namaz without doing wazoo (a way of becomming namazi or being namazi from the start Being female who doesn't obey her husband Being a child who doesn't go to madrassa and/or refuses to obey his/her parents Refusing to send your child to madrassa Not praying all 5 namaz (Fajr, zuhr, asr, maghrib, isha) Not praying any of the namaz correctly Not attempting Rosa on Ramadan Not attending Lailat ul' Qadar (spelling?)Those are what I remember off by heart.

[Elbert]

Here you go!

Wasn't meant in a bad way and I hope it didn't sound offensive, because that was never the intention.
I am going to learn how to write posts without seeming dismissive – I seem to upset people easily....i t didn't occur to me that you were offensive – quite the contrary. I thought how pleasant it was of you to offer comfort. I was thinking of Christians, and simply wondered how many other of their persecutions were for things people can't do anything about. Elbert: have you seen how some USA xtians are reported to behave toward people of "middle-eastern appearance", for example? The "religious order" of the KKK may have a few things to teach you about creative discrimination also. Yes, this is true, Mr. Black, however, this sort of behaviour is not the avowed policy of the Christian religions to which these people purport to be affiliated, I think. Not having Jewish DNA, maybe? is there such a thing as Jewish DNA? If there is, then there must be a Christian DNA. Over 90% of Jews are not Semitic, they are Ashkenazy Jews deriving from an eastern European country that adopted the Jewish religion in the vain hope of avoiding being crushed by Muslims on one side, and Christians on the other. The tiny minority of Jewish people of Semitic origin will share their DNA with other Semites... such as many Palestinians. It is conveniently forgotten that Judaism is a religion, not a race, and it is not racist to be anti Jewish, any more than it is racist to be Anti catholic. One is not born a Jew, one is indoctrinated into jewishness.

[Elbert]

Crocodile, you write: n Islam people are "persecuted" (ie. exterminated and/or shunned out) for the following:
Not being a follower of Islam
Not allowing someone to follow Islam
Not spreading Islam around
Being a woman who is divorced
Being a female adulterer
Being female who has betrayed her husband
Betraying Allah
Betraying Muhammed
Placing the Quran on the ground (yes - it is a deadly sin)
Placing the turban on the ground (another deadly sin)
Reading a Quran and/or wearing any garment not considered to be namazi - ie. dropped on the ground etc (without giving it a "holy kiss")
Praying namaz without doing wazoo (a way of becomming namazi or being namazi from the start
Being female who doesn't obey her husband
Being a child who doesn't go to madrassa and/or refuses to obey his/her parents
Refusing to send your child to madrassa
Not praying all 5 namaz (Fajr, zuhr, asr, maghrib, isha)
Not praying any of the namaz correctly
Not attempting Rosa on Ramadan
Not attending Lailat ul' Qadar (spelling?)
Those are what I remember off by heart.

As far as I can see, not one of those punishable acts you mention are things that people are born doing. things over which they have as little control as the colour of their hair or the size of their nipples. All of those acts are voluntary..... being queer isn't, so it does seem perverse to persecute someone for it. In my opinion women are persecuted for being women in Islam and some Christian sects -- so that qualifies. Please believe me when i insist i am not being defensive, merely organising my lists of sins .

[atheist_angel]

Is there such a thing as Jewish DNA? If there is, then there must be a Christian DNA. Over 90% of Jews are not Semitic, they are Ashkenazy Jews deriving from an eastern European country that adopted the Jewish religion in the vain hope of avoiding being crushed by Muslims on one side, and Christians on the other. The tiny minority of Jewish people of Semitic origin will share their DNA with other Semites... such as many Palestinians. It is conveniently forgotten that Judaism is a religion, not a race, and it is not racist to be anti Jewish, any more than it is racist to be Anti catholic. One is not born a Jew, one is indoctrinated into jewishness.Tell that to the Jews. They still don't comprehend it.

[Sir Patrick Crocodile]

Forgot to mention that in Islam everyone is born a Muslim - which is quite ludicrous.

Also note that in reality everyone is NOT born automatically as a follower of Islam, being Namazi, a child who goes to madrassa, etc.

Also it is quite natural to forget some stuff for Namaz with the ridiculous timing and the stuff you need to remember in order to execute it.

Oh and I forgot to mention disabilities and homosexuals are NOT treated well in Islam either.

[Elbert]

@Elbert: never mind their books, it is well-known to both of us that they can be interpreted many ways, as we have previously discussed.

It is, in the end, the actions of the people that make religions repugnant.

Yes, oh thoughtful and considerate Mr Black.... you need have no concern for my state of mind.... the question is purely academic, although I have to admit I do like to ensure that people are correctly informed about what things are voluntary and what not:D I was once a pedagogue, it will not surprise you to know.

[Elbert]

Oh and I forgot to mention disabilities ... are NOT treated well in Islam either.

Now that is really, nasty.

[wolty]

I am going to learn how to write posts without seeming dismissive – I seem to upset people easily....i t didn't occur to me that you were offensive – quite the contrary. I thought how pleasant it was of you to offer comfort.

I didn't think you were dismissive, and you didn't upset me, just that I was worried that you misunderstood the context of my meaning. It doesn't take much to get me going about injustice in the world. If only we could ask all those gypsies, jews, homosexuals, russians, poles from the second world war. It seems to me that all religions have a similar ideal happening.

[wolty]

And one for the Aspergians: ever had somebody blame your difference on the good ol' deeeeeeeee-mons?

http://rynosseros.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/demon_holding_open_mouth_of-hell_uzi-400x268.jpg



Now wasn't that a great song.

I got the demons in me, I got the demons in me, I got the demons in meeeeeeee.:)

[Elbert]

sorry.. that was way off topic... had to go. another cold night. must put the hens to bed.

[Twizzle]

Seems to me along with sexual preference and ethnicity religions also discriminate against;

Women
People with unwed parents
People whose parents have differing beleifs
People with psychological differences (ie mental illness, behavioural disorders, autism, etc, or just eccentric people)
Having a strong 'bullshit' detector :rolleyes:

[atheist_angel]

And one for the Aspergians: ever had somebody blame your difference on the good ol' deeeeeeeee-mons?
My schizo friend went into a church once and made a prayer request for healing. The whole congregation made a circle around him and started to argue with his demons and saying..uhm..prayers?...they sounded more like spells...and started trying to rebuke the devil and cast out his demons. He freaked out and left....


...And before anyone asks, he was perfectly sane. He was on meds and hadn't had an episode in years. It really happened. Some churches really do that shyt around here. BTW, he's an atheist, now. ;)

[Fearless]

Forgot to mention that in Islam everyone is born a Muslim - which is quite ludicrous.

Ok, well that debunks my new signature :p

[robertkd]

Can you tell me what other naturally occurring individual characteristics religions persecute people for? :confused:

there is an obvious one, thinking,.... :eek: