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Twizzle
10th September 2009, 11:27 PM
Hello, my name is Twizzle, and I am an atheist...

*this is where I imagine everyone saying "hello, Twizzle."*


When I was 8, my brother and I were taken out of the public school system and placed in a Baptist private school. The reason for this is because the private system refused to take reasonable steps to prevent my brother from being bullied. They basically blamed it on him so we were shipped out.

Now, my dad is a staunch athiest and my mother a 'spiritual agnostic' (what I beleive to be her way of saying wishy washy christian!), so I was never exposed to religion at home. My dad was horrified that there were no nondenominational private school options here in Perth, so always made it a point to teach my brother and I to challenge authority when it seemed unjust or didn't make sense. Either way, it was always important to ask questions.

So needless to say I was a nightmare for my teachers! Of course I swallowed what they said at first, but as I got older I asked too many questions. What's evolution? How do you know the bible is real? How could all the animals fit on the arc? etc etc etc....even at a young age I knew never to beleive something fantasical without proper proof!

Unfortunately for me, being young and naiive, I was under the illusion that everybody was rational, intellegent human beings. So imagine my suprise when my valid questions were at first dismissed, then mocked, and lastly I was threated with eternal damnation for questioning the word of God. I could not understand why I was not being given proper answers, why I was simply being told just to beleive, and why I had to be threatened. So at the age of 11 I declared myself agnostic.

I became a full blown athiest in highschool. Nothing much had changed in my questioning attitude and the teachers responses, except now I was better equipped. The final straw came when, in a lesson on evolution in my biology class, I was told that God created all animals vegetarian (as there was no death), and that a lion could survive happily and healthy on a vegetarian diet. My response was an amazed 'BULL SHIT!", and after a bit more debating I got detention (ohhhh but it was worth it!). Over the years I received at least 10 detentions, infringement notices, and threat of suspension all because I asked too many questions. The school had several meetings with my folks complaining that I needed to learn boundaries and respect authority. Little did they know I was being rewarded by my dad for this behaviour!

I started to get more of an understanding of atheism (other than just 'relegion is shit') when I started a philosophy course at uni last year. Funnily enough, the first semester was about philosophic proof for the existance of god, or lack thereof. Here was someone saying 'well, God probably doesn't exist, and I will walk you through exactly why...' rather than BELIEVE WHAT I SAY BECAUSE IT'S IN THIS BOOK! YOU'RE GOING TO HELL! Everything fell into place, and finally I was equipped with actual philosophical arguments to back up by beleifs.

So just a couple of months ago I became aware of the athiest movement after doing a bit more of my own research into atheism. I'd always felt a deep sense of resentment bought the way I was treated by religion as a child, and lo and behold, here was a person actually campaigning to stop this! Richard Dawkins opened my eyes to being an out and proud athiest, a gift much better than eternal life :D

And yeah...

long winded, but that's my story in a nutshell. Please excuse any spelling errors, my keyeboard is dodgy and I've had a glass of wine (lethal combo...)

Brother Nelson
11th September 2009, 02:46 AM
Hi Tizzle,

I eny you. I wish my schooling was like that. The last thing I would have ever done was question authority and if I did I certainly would not be rewarded for it. I went to a catholic secondary school in the 70s and if you questioned anything you'd find yourself in front of the class with outstretched hand recieving 6 of the best.

Brian

Sir Patrick Crocodile
11th September 2009, 01:54 PM
Heck - I used to get detentions and suspensions quite a lot for "swearing" - and even my parents agreed with the loudmouth fuckwits at the schools. This is the reason religion must be eliminated. The idea of "free will" doesn't exist in religion in my opinion.

Bottom line: schools will never care about students. they want money. Public schools and especially private schools want money. I have only met a few teachers who care. The rest used to treat me like a terror suspect.

Sir Patrick Crocodile
11th September 2009, 01:58 PM
I must admit that your story is quite amazing. It was long and I could only understand approximately 45% of it (I am not a good at English comprehension so there probably wasn't anything wrong with the way your story was written) - but it was nice.

wolty
11th September 2009, 02:36 PM
Hi Tizzle,

I eny you. I wish my schooling was like that. The last thing I would have ever done was question authority and if I did I certainly would not be rewarded for it. I went to a catholic secondary school in the 70s and if you questioned anything you'd find yourself in front of the class with outstretched hand recieving 6 of the best.

Brian


I thought your first name was Brother? You probably changed it after seeing Life of Brian.

Anyways greetings Twizzle. Hope you enjoy everything life has to offer.

c2009
11th September 2009, 04:02 PM
Heck - I used to get detentions and suspensions quite a lot for "swearing" - and even my parents agreed with the loudmouth fuckwits at the schools. This is the reason religion must be eliminated. The idea of "free will" doesn't exist in religion in my opinion.

Bottom line: schools will never care about students. they want money. Public schools and especially private schools want money. I have only met a few teachers who care. The rest used to treat me like a terror suspect.

The ones that care would be more common than you'd think. Or at least I seemed to get a hell of a long string of them throughout my education.

In a way I did rebel against authority, but my techniques were more subtle (such as correcting the teacher when a spelling mistake cropped up on the board. I think I was one of the few who ever noticed them... :p note though that the teachers did clearly know their subject areas and taught them well), and my only detention was for intentionally not bring my sports uniform repeatedly to get out of PE (there was one other, but it was the whole class detained, and I hadn't been part of it).

Actually, the teachers were surprisingly tolerant, and though they had a whole bunch of rules, but most of them weren't even enforced (the best example of this was the rule to stay within grounds at lunchtime. I'd guess a full quarter of the school population drifted over to the local shopping centre, and yet I only once or twice saw token slaps on the wrist, even when the teachers had physically seen them in the centre - they did check).

Which, I suspect, is why there wasn't so much trouble. When you have good teachers who genuinely want to teach, you don't want to rebel, because you want to learn from them.

On the other hand, during my early experiences in a church setting, I swore quite a lot (indeed, I got sent home with my nextdoor neighbour for that very reason! :p).

Sir Patrick Crocodile
11th September 2009, 06:02 PM
Here's an old thread that shows exactly what should be done in church whenever an opportunity of practicality (http://www.atheistfoundation.org.au/forums/showthread.php?t=1432) appears.

AWarGuy
13th September 2009, 05:31 PM
Hey Twizzle,
I wish I have the bollocks to be an outspoken atheist at my School (Catholic...)
But due to emotionally problems , my biatch of a sister and the a**hole at school I unfortunately keep it locked up (expect for my close friends, who are catholic)

Sir Patrick Crocodile
14th September 2009, 05:45 PM
Hey Twizzle,
I wish I have the bollocks to be an outspoken atheist at my School (Catholic...)
But due to emotionally problems , my biatch of a sister and the a**hole at school I unfortunately keep it locked up (expect for my close friends, who are catholic)Oh that must hurt a lot. I have been through a lot of religious torture from Christian schools to parents forcing me to attend religious classes (madrassa) and I didn't like it.
Once she even tricked me by saying that I was going for a "fun day" which was another boring madrassa day.

rainbowings15
16th September 2009, 05:11 PM
Good story Twizzle. Keep up the excellent work.

People here make my day. :)

I remember asking about faith during RE (religious education) at the local public primary school. The only way the teacher could explaine it was saying something along the lines of "You don't know how a washing machine works do you?" to which I relpied "no" "well, thats how faith works. You don't know how but it just does." Teacher answers question and class is satisfied, easy!
Life is good LG adds new meaning to faith.:eek:

Sir Patrick Crocodile
16th September 2009, 05:13 PM
Good story Twizzle. Keep up the excellent work.

People here make my day. :)

I remember asking about faith during RE (religious education) at the local public primary school. The only way the teacher could explaine it was saying something along the lines of "You don't know how a washing machine works do you?" to which I relpied "no" "well, thats how faith works. You don't know how but it just does." Teacher answers question and class is satisfied, easy!
Life is good LG adds new meaning to faith.:eek:So now I get it - you put dishwashing powder in the faith, and then adjust the temperature cycle and start it up so that God can cleanse your sins, and voila! You come out as a Born Again Theist - how amazing!

eclectic
23rd September 2009, 02:45 PM
Thanks so much for that story, that was brilliant to read!

Your questioning the religious teachers reminds me so much of my hubby. He did the same thing at Catholic school, and was led into atheism early too thanks to their useless responses. The churches really lose a lot of intelligent kids early with their inability to engage with them AT ALL.

Your bold questioning of authority just fills me with joy too! Hubby would love nothing more than our future children to treat teachers just as you did. I wish I had had the courage.

Sir Patrick Crocodile
23rd September 2009, 02:47 PM
I wish I could fucking communicate properly. It wasn't until I found out I was autistic that I understood myself and figured out why I can't say what I want to and why I end up getting misunderstood.

Posting on the forum is easy because I know what the Backspace key does and I can edit posts and delete them while the thread they are in is open. So it is easy to make corrections on that basis. But even editing it after some time I get the Last edited by Crocodile type message.

But in real life it is hard because there is no backspace or text box etc.

rainbowings15
23rd September 2009, 11:56 PM
Hi Croc, I understand the frustration you feel re communication. I have MS which at the moment is mucking with my mind big time. Short memory, inability to concentrate and as for doing 2 things at once, foget it. Using this forum to express our ideas is great. Thank the lord for the backspace button. :(

PracAthe
27th September 2009, 12:11 AM
Heh, my Dad told me to keep quiet and don't get into trouble. Which is a good thing, as towards the end of my stay in school the deluded sermons that we had in chapel really made me want to start an argument with him, in front of the entire school, which couldn't have gone well.

Sir Patrick Crocodile
27th September 2009, 08:31 PM
Heh, my Dad told me to keep quiet and don't get into trouble. Which is a good thing, as towards the end of my stay in school the deluded sermons (also being insulted by other students and teachers too) that we had in chapel really made me want to start an argument with him, in front of the entire school, which couldn't have gone well.The deluded sermons are what drove me mad and eventually ended up throwing chairs across the room and eventually got me expelled (for punching someone in the head who pissed me off for long times) and then my mother mentioned I had Asperger's syndrome which explains why I can't control that sort of temper. Another thing that made me lose my temper is that the teachers wouldn't do anything about the situations and always blamed me for it and so over time I became more aggressive because I knew the teachers wouldn't do shit about my bullying and always blamed me for it. I suppose Christian teachers will only forgive the Christian students.

rainbowings15
27th September 2009, 10:43 PM
Hey there Croc,

Sounds like the teachers took the easy way out. No wonder you became so frustrated. Bullying can be so emotionally destroying with the effects lasting for years. I've got a nice scar on my nose from it being broken twice at school. I imagine if your situation was sorted earlier on it wouln't have escelated to the point it did. Power to you. Hang in there. :)