Is God biased? Is it fair to save only some?

[TÐöer]

http://christiananswers.net/q-aiia/godfair.html

I thought that they were about to explain, how God is fair, in the way he treats those who have never heard of him. Instead I wasted my time reading garbage. :mad:

All it does, is state that we can't question God, those who will be sent to hell deserved it, and it justifies a need for them to preach the gospel.

They have completely eluded the question of How God is Fair?!

[SchizoDeluxe]

Dictators are never fair

[atheist_angel]

Thanks Doer, now I don't have to read 30inches of crappy, filler-fluff, just to find out that they completely ducked the question. How can you argue against someone's position, if they use misdirection and duck the question...They don't fight fair! But, neither does their imaginary g-d.

[Sir Patrick Crocodile]

I sort of had the impression Hitler was bad news until I heard about the wrath of God.

[Caio]

How is god not being fair?? He massacred, oops I meant sacrificed, not wait that’s not much better, oh well, his only son as a testimony for his love for you, kinda weird but ok, and wants to give you the rest of eternity in heaven, that’s fair isn’t it?? After all, all you have to do first is die…Lol these people are too funny.

[Sir Patrick Crocodile]

He needs to cover the finer aspects of life - one which I learned from places other than the Bible. Such as self-defence against fruit.

[atheist_angel]

He needs to cover the finer aspects of life - one which I learned from places other than the Bible. Such as self-defense against fruit.
That one went right over my head.

[Sir Patrick Crocodile]

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[Twizzle]

....this 'God' fellow sounds like my highschool christian ed teacher: "IT'S FAIR BECAUSE I SAID SO NOW BOW YOUR HEAD FOR PRAYERS!"

[gruber]

apparently this God fellow helps those that help themselves

[atheist_angel]

FAIR:
byM-W1 : pleasing to the eye or mind especially because of fresh, charming, or flawless quality
2 : superficially pleasing : specious (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/specious) <she trusted his fair promises>
3 a : clean (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/clean), pure (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pure) <fair sparkling water> b : clear (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/clear), legible (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/legible)
4 : not stormy or foul : fine (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fine) <fair weather>
5 : ample (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ample) <a fair estate>
6 a : marked by impartiality and honesty : free from self-interest, prejudice, or favoritism <a very fair person to do business with> b (1) : conforming with the established rules : allowed (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/allowed) (2) : consonant with merit or importance : due (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/due) <a fair share> c : open to legitimate pursuit, attack, or ridicule <fair game>
7 a : promising (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/promising), likely (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/likely) <in a fair way to win> b : favorable to a ship's course <a fair wind>
8 archaic : free of obstacles
9 : not dark <fair skin>
10 a : sufficient but not ample : adequate (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/adequate) <a fair understanding of the work> b : moderately numerous, large, or significant <takes a fair amount of time>
11 : being such to the utmost : utter (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/utter) <a fair treat to watch him — New Republic>

[atheist_angel]

But if by “fair” we mean decent, just, good, gracious, and objective—then yes, God is eminently fair to all men.There is, of course, also a sense in which God, who alone knows and is able to factor in every nuance and detail of an individual's personality, awareness, background, abilities, life-circumstance, and potential response(s) to general revelation, may already have conceivably been fully equitable (if such could ever be known) in His relationship with men.:confused: This is a very long sentence. That's not fair to me.

[TÐöer]

apparently this God fellow helps those that help themselves.
That sounds kinda reasonable. Unfortunately "Helping themselves" in his book, means believing in him; either they have heard of him or not.

Kinda tight order to follow.

In the case of those who believe in him, but have not heard of Christianity, he will conveniently provide them with revelations later.

[atheist_angel]

That sounds kinda reasonable. Help themselves, meaning, believing in him; either they have heard of him or not.
I don't know, Doer. I think it means that they only 'think' their help is coming from g-d, when really it is the result of their own actions.

Those that get wealthy from exploiting the less fortunate, can go around tell everyone that g-d 'blessed*' them because they 'believed'. And that others only suffer because they are 'guilty' in the eyes of g-d, and do not deserve 'blessings*'.

*to be blessed with good fortune or wealth.
*Blessing from g-d=wealth or good fortune.

[atheist_angel]

@Doer
After you read post #14, re-read the quotes in post #12 again to see an example of this twisted thinking that falsely explains what they would call the 'appearance' of unfairness in the world. Which shows why, they still maintain the false belief that g-d is fair.

[TÐöer]

@Doer
After you read post #15, re-read the quotes in post #12 again to see an example of this twisted thinking that falsely explains what they would call the 'appearance' of unfairness in the world. Which shows why, they still maintain the false belief that g-d is fair.

Sorry, it was my failed attempt at being sarcastic again. :D (Post #13)

Ya, of course, it wasn't fair, how can they expect everyone to know that their God is correct in the first place? And also, what bull is it, about "those who have not known Christianity but are already worshiping the 1 God...". How the hell do we know, if they are praying to the same 1 God?

Also, as far as we know, God has never revealed himself anymore, since Christ. So obviously, that statement that "to those who are already believing, but not yet known the bible, God will reveal himself to them", is all nonsense.

Then they have failed to talk about those, who died before Jesus came up and preached. How about those, who never heard of Jesus and never believed in a God? In this case, these people deserve damnation. Calling these fair is utterly rubbish.

So yeah, ofcourse what they say is not "Fair" at all, only seems fair to them, because they're getting browny points for converting others.


Note to All, I just deleted Post #13 , everything has been shifted up. Accidentally caused a redundant post.

*the quotes (in this post) are my rephrasing of the issues mentioned. Didn't bother to get the actual quote.

[atheist_angel]

That sounds kinda reasonable. Unfortunately "Helping themselves" in his book, means believing in him; either they have heard of him or not.

Kinda tight order to follow.

In the case of those who believe in him, but have not heard of Christianity, he will conveniently provide them with revelations later.I think that was inspired by 2nd half of the 10th verse in hebrews ch8.This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after that time, declares the L-rd. I will put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts. I will be their G-d, and they will be my people. NIVbut they couldn't include it because they would have explain why it only refers to the house of Ysrael, and not all people. According to many verses, only a Jew can be a xtian. And then, there are other verses that contradict this. There is no way to make sense out of anything in the bible, without cherry picking. Which should be a clue that it is all a false religion, but people just don't mentally get that. :rolleyes: