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the_tambourine_man
7th August 2009, 02:00 PM
Hello to all you rationalists out there,

My name is Anthony and I was raised as a Catholic and attended Catholic school, however at around the age of fourteen I was seriously questioning my faith.

This was quite a stressful thing for a fourteen year old with Catholic parents, friends and schools as there was no-one I could turn to to discuss this issue and alternatives to faith.

Being the arrogant, self-righteous extrovert I am, I disregarded what those around me were trying to push upon my young mind and rather began to fight back, feeling that I was alone in my quest for rationalism. I fought with my parents, teachers and some friends over the issue of religion, which resulted in me being sent to counselling at my high school.

It was in these sessions that I became close friends with the first person I'd ever encountered that called themself an atheist. He was raised this way by his parents, a teacher and a psychologist, who were both also active atheists. We discussed many issues beyond the usual realms of a Catholic social issues class, and soon I proclaimed myself an atheist.

I left my beliefs alone for while, content with the fact that as I grew older I met many more people who shared our views.

Now, however, I have been looking for more. I am researching humanism heavily, and have decided to become a member of the Australian branch.

Humanism, as you may know, puts the wellbeing of every person at the forefront of it's agenda. I was drawn to this philosophy particularily because of the ideas of equity, which mirrored my own without a degree of conflict. There are many ways to acheive a happier and healthier world, but there are also obstacles.

I believe that religion is the greatest of these obstacles. Encouraging conservatism (I say that term with a large degree of contempt), discrimination, violence, hatred and brainwashing, all under the guise of 'righteousness', these backward cults and beliefs are an enemy to true freedom.

Part of humanism is respecting the right to bear and proclaim religious faith. However, the issue that gets me is the education of children. Having been to a Catholic primary school myself, I am all too aware of the way that un-developed minds are taught things that by all rights should be considered barbaric, the idea of going to heaven or hell upon death being one of the most traumatic.

I agree that everyone has a right to faith... but shouldn't everyone have the right to reach a point where they can make a considered and thoughtful decisionon the matter, rather than being thrown into the abyss of religious dogma and being forced to crawl out if they choose a different path later in life?

Now identifying myself as a humanist, it is my belief that all schooling should be completely secular and science-based. Parents are obviously going to continue to teach their kids whatever traditions or faiths they want to pass on, but with properly structured schooling, kids are going to be better prepared for making a more conscious choice in their own beliefs. Surely we owe them this.

That's my rant for the day, otherwise looking forward to participating on these forums and attending meetings soon!

Peace.

Julien
8th August 2009, 03:42 PM
Glad to see I am not the only one concerned with education. :)

youngmoigle
8th August 2009, 04:13 PM
Now identifying myself as a humanist, it is my belief that all schooling should be completely secular and science-based. Parents are obviously going to continue to teach their kids whatever traditions or faiths they want to pass on, but with properly structured schooling, kids are going to be better prepared for making a more conscious choice in their own beliefs. Surely we owe them this.


I wish they had taught the following when I was at school:
* A couple of lessons about the Scientific Method
* A few months on Logical Fallacies
* A year or so on the Theory Of Probability
With those subjects under my belt, I would have beaten the theists every time.

tandytripper
8th August 2009, 05:34 PM
Hello to all you rationalists out there,

My name is Anthony and I was raised as a Catholic and attended Catholic school, however at around the age of fourteen I was seriously questioning my faith.

This was quite a stressful thing for a fourteen year old with Catholic parents, friends and schools as there was no-one I could turn to to discuss this issue and alternatives to faith.

Being the arrogant, self-righteous extrovert I am, I disregarded what those around me were trying to push upon my young mind and rather began to fight back, feeling that I was alone in my quest for rationalism. I fought with my parents, teachers and some friends over the issue of religion, which resulted in me being sent to counselling at my high school.

It was in these sessions that I became close friends with the first person I'd ever encountered that called themself an atheist. He was raised this way by his parents, a teacher and a psychologist, who were both also active atheists. We discussed many issues beyond the usual realms of a Catholic social issues class, and soon I proclaimed myself an atheist.

I left my beliefs alone for while, content with the fact that as I grew older I met many more people who shared our views.

Now, however, I have been looking for more. I am researching humanism heavily, and have decided to become a member of the Australian branch.

Humanism, as you may know, puts the wellbeing of every person at the forefront of it's agenda. I was drawn to this philosophy particularily because of the ideas of equity, which mirrored my own without a degree of conflict. There are many ways to acheive a happier and healthier world, but there are also obstacles.

I believe that religion is the greatest of these obstacles. Encouraging conservatism (I say that term with a large degree of contempt), discrimination, violence, hatred and brainwashing, all under the guise of 'righteousness', these backward cults and beliefs are an enemy to true freedom.

Part of humanism is respecting the right to bear and proclaim religious faith. However, the issue that gets me is the education of children. Having been to a Catholic primary school myself, I am all too aware of the way that un-developed minds are taught things that by all rights should be considered barbaric, the idea of going to heaven or hell upon death being one of the most traumatic.

I agree that everyone has a right to faith... but shouldn't everyone have the right to reach a point where they can make a considered and thoughtful decisionon the matter, rather than being thrown into the abyss of religious dogma and being forced to crawl out if they choose a different path later in life?

Now identifying myself as a humanist, it is my belief that all schooling should be completely secular and science-based. Parents are obviously going to continue to teach their kids whatever traditions or faiths they want to pass on, but with properly structured schooling, kids are going to be better prepared for making a more conscious choice in their own beliefs. Surely we owe them this.

That's my rant for the day, otherwise looking forward to participating on these forums and attending meetings soon!

Peace.

I loved your rant!;) Welcome!:D

AWarGuy
8th August 2009, 07:12 PM
G'day welcome!

Im in your school situation (catholic family, school etc) but i have close christian friends n all :) anyway i love your rant :)

Welcome and enjoy your stay :)

the_tambourine_man
8th August 2009, 07:20 PM
Thanks for the welcomes guys :)

Fearless
9th August 2009, 09:48 AM
Welcome and well done for listening to your own logic.

I am always sorry to hear about the family strains that this sort of thing brings. I'm glad my upbringing was such that it was relatively easier to follow my own path in life.

the_tambourine_man
9th August 2009, 03:22 PM
We can take comfort in the fact that we won't make the same mistakes with our own children I guess. It's a shame how rare a truly secular school is these days... On that subject though, check out this school based in Melbourne. I have a friend who went there and told me about it. Not only is it thoroughly secular but the entire style of teaching is like nothing I'd ever heard of before.

http://www.alia.vic.edu.au/alternative-education-high-school.php

It's expensive, but I'd pay the price for my kids.

Mister Pervert
9th August 2009, 03:52 PM
It's expensive, but I'd pay the price for my kids.

Belated "welcome"...

Interesting points raised, re: schooling those who walk in our familial footsteps.

I've never placed too much stead in any education system - be it public schools, uppity-Prostetant/dowdy Catholic or even those funky Montesori/humanist ones. Mrs LA and I booked our offspring into an expensive Grammar (high) school when she was born - such being the "waiting list". She ultimately spent her formative primary school years attending several public schools. By the time of her upper primary school years rolled around, we lived in a country town in which there were only two choices: public school, or the local Catholic establishment.

Being the small town it was, we - that is, Mrs Me and offspring and Me - chose the Catholic one. Poor offspring even had to go through the whole "Basptisimism" thing in order to get into it all but, by that time, she was already smart enough to see through the charade.

The Catholic thingy later continued after we moved back to the city, and it certainly didn't do my daughter any harm. Reason? "Schooling" really is a family thing - regardless of any institutions into which we place our kids. My own girl has grown into a fine, intelligent young woman who has experienced "the religious side" - and, ultimately made her own informed decisions to reject the nonsense.

EOX

the_tambourine_man
9th August 2009, 04:10 PM
By the time of her upper primary school years rolled around, we lived in a country town in which there were only two choices: public school, or the local Catholic establishment.

Having gone to a Catholic College, I'd say good choice. Even if you send your kids to a Catholic primary school from the beginning and teach them at home about choices and alternatives, the schooling system shouldn't leave too much of an imprint on their minds.. I wouldnt take the chance though :P

The Catholics do have a decent standard of education, and most of the time they're pretty tolerant of other religion too... funnily, at my school we had Muslim's, Sikh's and the odd Greek Orthodox here and there, but they never heard a negative or agrumentative word from our evangelist RE teachers, but myself and the one other mate who declared himself an atheist were constantly up in arms with them!

Looking back, some of my favourite memories are of arguments in RE classes lasting up to half an hour between us and the rest of the class/teachers :D