God IS Great!!!

[GodIsGreat]

The highest sense of well-being possible is found ONLY in an intimate, healed, forgiven relationship with Jesus the Christ.

I'm a retired marriage counselor living in York WA, with seven adopted children, a wonderful wife and a wonderful life AND I can tell you how to achieve it. It really is simple.

Thanks for the opportunity for me to have my say.

[Fiery]

The highest sense of well-being possible is found ONLY in an intimate, healed, forgiven relationship with Jesus the Christ.

I am interested in how you have a relationship with somebody you cannot see, hear, smell, taste, touch or experience on any kind of a face-to-face, in person, observable fashion.

I don't believe because there's nothing there. Nothing to experience. Nothing that responds to me. Nothing that impacts my life in any observable, documentable, believable fashion.

What exactly do you have a relationship with?

[GodIsGreat]

Dearest Fiery

Thanks for the warm welcome. I believe WE are having a relationship now without any of your see, hear, smell, taste, touch or experience on any kind of a face-to-face, in person, observable fashion, so your theory has failed from the start.

If you stop at the material you are missing the entire spirtual side of existance and that worries me. You must miss out on some truely amazing things in you life. You must open yourself to see these things and stop being dogmatic about it.

You are spiritual. What you are doing with that spirituality is the crucial question. Are you moving in concert with your Creator? Is your soul anchored in a relationship with your Creator? Or have you turned away from your Creator so that you’re dancing with demons. Or perhaps your soul has set yourself up as a god? According to Jesus, the Creator of your soul, the One who’s own Soul or Spirit indwells believers in Him, He is the one who will determine your eternal destination based on either your allegiance to Him or your rebellion to and your turning away from Him.

SO.. The question is not "What exactly do you have a relationship with?" but more "Who exactly do you have a relationship with?"

Good luck on your journey. I will be praying for you.

Blessings and hugs.

[Fiery]

Dearest Fiery

Thanks for the warm welcome. I believe WE are having a relationship now without any of your see, hear, smell, taste, touch or experience on any kind of a face-to-face, in person, observable fashion, so your theory has failed from the start.

I posted a comment. You replied. You did not write this comment 2000 years ago in the sands of Iran to be discovered as some sort of new "Dead Sea Scrolls". You quoted me, you responded to me. Does Jesus do that for you? Does he do the same to you? If we exchanged skype information, I could hear your voice and see your face. If we exchanged physical addresses, I could show up at your door, sit at your table, eat your food, smell you. If we kissed, I could taste you. And at the end of the visit I could return home... alive. Presuming of course you're not some crazed serial killer.

Can you do that with Jesus? Apart from having a near death experience? How do you experience him in a relationship? Do you have Jesus' skype information? Does he have a youtube accout? A phone number? Do you have his current address outside of "in your heart" or "in heaven" or "seated at the right hand of the father"???

Puzzled at your relationship.

~Fiery

[SeantheBlogonaut]

Welcome God is Great

[Johno]

Dearest Fiery

Thanks for the warm welcome. I believe WE are having a relationship now without any of your see, hear, smell, taste, touch or experience on any kind of a face-to-face, in person, observable fashion, so your theory has failed from the start.

If you stop at the material you are missing the entire spirtual side of existance and that worries me. You must miss out on some truely amazing things in you life. You must open yourself to see these things and stop being dogmatic about it.

You are spiritual. What you are doing with that spirituality is the crucial question. Are you moving in concert with your Creator? Is your soul anchored in a relationship with your Creator? Or have you turned away from your Creator so that you’re dancing with demons. Or perhaps your soul has set yourself up as a god? According to Jesus, the Creator of your soul, the One who’s own Soul or Spirit indwells believers in Him, He is the one who will determine your eternal destination based on either your allegiance to Him or your rebellion to and your turning away from Him.

SO.. The question is not "What exactly do you have a relationship with?" but more "Who exactly do you have a relationship with?"

Good luck on your journey. I will be praying for you.

Blessings and hugs.

I think the point you might be missing here godisgreat, is that we may not be able to see each other face to face but we are conversing directly. Have you ever had an email or letter from god? Has he ever called you on the phone? I believe a relationship requires good communication to be able to flourish, as a retired marriage counselor you would have to agree that lack of communication is a relly big part of relationship breakdowns. That said, how do you have a relationship with a person who does not reply to you.

[Godless Ray]

Hi there God is great,
A warm welcome to the forum. 7 Children???? You a masochist to? Are you sure you have time to get on the computer??? :)

When you replied earlier with "You are spiritual" does this relate to all people? I ask this because I have never felt or had a sensation that could be called spiritual ever in my life. On other forums I have been kicked out by Calvinists who see this in me as a sign of godly abandonment and I tend to get shunned a lot. (dang)

But good to see you here and hope you a fan of robust argument.

kind regards

Godless.

[peterthames]

Hello God IS Great, since your a man of god i would like to ask you 2 questions please;
Does it say in the bible that the Sun revolves around the Earth?
Does it say in the bible all boys should be circumcised?
sorry 3rd question
If so please quote where?
Thanks

[GodIsGreat]

Does it say in the bible that the Sun revolves around the Earth?

Not sure. I don't think so why? Do you think it does?


Does it say in the bible all boys should be circumcised?

Sort of. Do you want me to check female circumcision as well?

Do you eat babies?

Do you make straw men?

[peterthames]

I just want to know as I heard it says that, cos if it does say the sun revolves around the earth, then that is clearly wrong, maybe it was only the priests in the old days thought that, and if they did, where did they get that idea?
as for female circumcision don't check that, we all know that is wrong, except some right nutters out there who think it's ok, nutters wrong word, not very bright is better I think, (i know they can't help being dim) So I forgive them, and want to educate them instead
as for:
Do you eat babies?

Do you make straw men?
what are you on about?

[alanqui]

Hi gIg I also have a wonderful life, a wonderful wife and two great kids who have flown the coop. We are all atheists.
Something pissed me off today. And that is a good friend and colleague of mine has just received some very bad news about her health. This person is gentle, kind and a real hard worker as a teacher. Will prayer help her? I don't think so. It will all boil down to good ole SCIENTIFIC medication.

[yahpete]

Hi GIG, if God is so great, why does he, she or it expect us mere mortals to prey to he, she or it for his, hers or its forgiveness if he, she or it is so powerful that he,she or it can make us all pious in the first place? Don't ask me to say that backwards. If god made imperfect beings then doesn't that make him imperfect because a perfect being should not make imperfections?:rolleyes: Hasn't god got better things to do? Why did he, she or it even bother? Anyway, happy new year from this new atheist. :cool:

[Godless Ray]

Hi God is Great,

As you might have noticed, you have been air dropped into a zone that has tons of people that tend not to believe in superstitions. A few people on here have had ugly experiences with formalised religions and most others are not convinced there is any actual evidence to support the idea of the supernatural.

As a theist your a very rare bird in these parts, could I ask the simple question of what evidence makes sense to you as a theist that something like a "God" would exist?

(maybe we should make this a new thread in the appropriate area?)

Godless Ray

[GodIsGreat]

A few people on here have had ugly experiences with formalised religions

Yes, and that is indeed unfortunate. I'm sure I will not be the only one praying for those who are being tested by the Fallen One. It is not the Creator's will that they dance with these demons. It is a trap of their own making.

what evidence makes sense to you as a theist that something like a "God" would exist?

Something like a "God"? No, no my friend. Our Creator is very real. He speaks directly to the hearts of those who follow Him. That is the very nature of the healed and forgiven relationship with Jesus the Christ. He reveals Himself to those who love Him. The blood of Our Lord and Saviour washes away all sin and doubt leaving us wholly renewed in His sight. It is a wondrous and glorious moment.

[Sammy Jankis]

Something like a "God"? No, no my friend. Our Creator is very real. He speaks directly to the hearts of those who follow Him. That is the very nature of the healed and forgiven relationship with Jesus the Christ. He reveals Himself to those who love Him. The blood of Our Lord and Saviour washes away all sin and doubt leaving us wholly renewed in His sight. It is a wondrous and glorious moment.

Hi GIG!

You were asked to provide evidence for the existence of what could be considered to be a god, but your offering above offers no such evidence. You assert that said god "speaks directly to the hearts of those who follow Him", so clearly those who don't "follow him" cannot take this as evidence for his existence since said god isn't "speaking" with them. Similarly, if said god "reveals Himself to those who love Him", how can this god expect those who don't believe in him (and by logical extension, don't love him) to be convinced of his existence when he only reveals himself to those who already believe he exists? Shouldn't this god get busy revealing himself to non-believers if he so desperately wants to "have a relationship" with them?

The blood of Our Lord and Saviour washes away all sin and doubt leaving us wholly renewed in His sight.

Grotesque. Blood sacrifice and scape-goating is generally viewed as abhorrent in other cultures. I don't understand why it gets a free pass in Christian mythology.

[peterthames]

Two words come to mind to describe GIG
Blind Faith
Thats all he has got cos he has no answers so he just continues his Blind Faith

[robbrownsyd]

Yes, and that is indeed unfortunate. I'm sure I will not be the only one praying for those who are being tested by the Fallen One. It is not the Creator's will that they dance with these demons. It is a trap of their own making.



Something like a "God"? No, no my friend. Our Creator is very real. He speaks directly to the hearts of those who follow Him. That is the very nature of the healed and forgiven relationship with Jesus the Christ. He reveals Himself to those who love Him. The blood of Our Lord and Saviour washes away all sin and doubt leaving us wholly renewed in His sight. It is a wondrous and glorious moment.
Nonsense on stilts!

[Godless Ray]

God is great,

When you say it's a trap of their own making, How so?

Also,

When you say this God speaks to the heart of people following him, Would there be an explanation why very many well meaning people often with a deep desire to be more spiritual don't ever hear the word? An example might be Mother Theresa who never once heard the inner voice of her God. I know many others from my own life.

Lastly, There would be far easier ways for God to give us a wonderous and glorious moment, maybe by leaving earthly evidence or even becomming visible physically. Any ideas here?

Godless Ray

[Donna]

Lastly, There would be far easier ways for God to give us a wonderous and glorious moment, maybe by leaving earthly evidence or even becomming visible physically. Any ideas here?

Godless Ray

Nicely put Godless, I'm interested in hearing any ideas about that too god is great.

[alanqui]

My sentiments exactly Godless. I hear they are building a new town bypass in my vicinity...I'll believe it when I see it...Same goes for the invisible whatchamacallit

[Vonnie]

Did someone mention bible? Evil, ridiculous and laughable work of fiction, that one. A few nice little fairytales - that Jeebus dude was okay, although I think he comes across as quite unstable (dare I say mentally ill?) at times - interspersed with tales of a vindictive, malevolent sky daddy and the ignorants who worshipped him.

My 9 year old used to believe in fairies. But as she got older her intelligence and critical thinking skills grew, she became more aware of fact and fantasy and how to decide rationally whether or not something could be true.

Even she can't believe that xians fall for the whole burning bush story. I mean, it's totally obvious even to my 9 year old that that Moses dude had a freaking hallucination! "Yeah, mum, like as if god would appear to Moses as a burning bush, of all things! And some adults believe this?<snicker>"

http://biblebabble.curbjaw.com/errors.htm

http://www.evilbible.com/

[Duffy]

My admiration GIG for bringing your thoughts to this site. I picture you as the Monty Python Knight in the Holy Grail that no matter how many blows you take you fight on.

Sorry but here is another one.

Do you think for a moment you could step out of your wonderfully scaffolding mind and look around the real world? So much time is spent sprouting supernatural mumbo jumbo that the reality of life is passing you by. A tree is a tree, a dog is a dog, an action has a reaction, that is life. I am fed up with this spiritual Rubiks cube that GOD followers have to manipulate to get it to look like some devine act. Please don't pray for me, I am happy in my Godless life, eating my babies and poking kittens in the eyeballs with knitting needles. Cheers

[Donna]

My admiration GIG for bringing your thoughts to this site. I picture you as the Monty Python Knight in the Holy Grail that no matter how many blows you take you fight on.

Please don't pray for me, I am happy in my Godless life, eating my babies and poking kittens in the eyeballs with knitting needles. Cheers

Loved the Monty Python reference, thats my mental pic of the GIG from now on;)

And the babies and kittens thing...you nasty atheist, how could you:p

[Godless Ray]

Vonnie,
Yes this is something I am never able to get my head around. Of what I have read about the raw text that makes up the Bible before it was "spun" to give "J" his more current image, he looks to me like a kind of street hustler. There a bits where he threw hissy fits and other bits where flat out refused to "cure" children because he was a bit pissed.

To my mind he comes across as like a modern day laying of hands healer of the charlatan kind. Bible readers must see that the "healed" are never checked on to confirm those "healings" stuck in the later months.

I guess we see what we want to see, But if God's one and only Prophet got things so fantastically wrong and then gets himself killed..

It just doesn't make sense to me on any level.

Godless