The Gruen Transfer

[Godless Ray]

Did anyone watch it tonight?

The bit called selling the impossible was selling to Australia to ditch all religions. If you missed the two competeing ads you maybe able to view them on the gruen website.

[Lord Blackadder]

Certainly did. Linky here: http://www.abc.net.au/tv/gruentransfer/thepitch.htm

[DanDare]

I saw it. Interesting how uncomfortable folks were with it.

I love "Lets Make Religion History".

[crocoduck]

I saw it. Interesting how uncomfortable folks were with it.

I love "Lets Make Religion History".

I would really like to know the exact reasons why some ad agencies refused to participate.

The ads were really good, and appreciated by the audience and the panel. Thanks to LB for the link.

[Fearless]

We had a thread recently about having a photography business depicting the word devil in it's name.

I guess the answer lies there.

http://www.atheistfoundation.org.au/forums/showthread.php?t=11353

[kazzaqld]

I thought the ads were really well done! Brought a tear to my eye. :D

I guess the other agencies were worried about pissing off their existing clients. :rolleyes:

[Ce4or]

Loved both adds. I wanted to imediately start raising money to air both.:D
The refusal of other companies? They are probably similar to a lot of my and likely others friends, don't have religious views but just dont want to think about it or challenge themselves.

[BlueDevil]

It would be interesting to know if TV stations would be reluctant to air adds such as these ones. If ad agencies were reluctant to make such ads then would TV stations refuse to screen them because they may think they would be poorly received by the religious community and could result in other companies withdrawing their advertising for that reason.

[AUSloth]

Remember the storm over the safe sex billboards? I personally would contribute to airing the commercials in prime time just to give Jim wallace a heart attack.

[cyclist]

Remember the storm over the safe sex billboards? I personally would contribute to airing the commercials in prime time just to Jim wallace a heart attack.

And wasn't there a similar storm when the bus ads were trying to be run? I seem to remember there was a similar shit storm around them.

I haven't seen the episode yet, but I'll watch it tonight. I suspect that a lot of it comes about because of the whole "free pass" that is given to religion in so many areas. You can often get away with criticising someone about many of their ideas, until it comes to the sky daddy.

James

[Threat]

Loved them both, but the first one did it for me.

[dilbadoon]

I thought they were both amazing, the best pitch episode that I have ever seen. Usually they take a light hearted tongue in cheek approach but both of those ads were really well done. I don't think I could have picked a favorite as they were both so clear but also both came from different angles, tie was a good result!

[DanDare]

If the ads had actually followed the brief, banning religion, I would not have been onside in any way. But they didn't exhort the banning of religion, they exhorted the abandoning of it as antiquated rubbish that no longer serves a useful purpose and carries lots of bad baggage. I'm all for that.

[c2105026]

RE: Ads that made sense but were not well received - there was an early 90s Toyota corolla ad in Australia that had a typical family picnic scene and an example of the car. The family was.....2 guys (assumed to be gay?) and a dalmation. So very clever. LOL....

[Bolero]

Loved both ads, but was really disappointed by Todd's response - "They're both good in a bad way".... WTF? They're both good in a fucking awesome way.

I loved the female panelist's comments (forget her name) about imaginary friends and such. Good on her for talking sense.

[4lan]

Loved both ads, but was really disappointed by Todd's response - "They're both good in a bad way".... WTF? They're both good in a fucking awesome way.

I loved the female panelist's comments (forget her name) about imaginary friends and such. Good on her for talking sense.

Defintely agree!

I thought the better of the two was the first simply because it directly appealed to our reasoning faculties and provided a means of obtaing our own proof. It really did encapsulate the point for me. The second was very good too but I feel that exploiting emotions tends to encourage the use of more emotive arguements to counter and religion does fairly well already (its a already muddy stick, one I'd rather not hold thanks).

4lan

[Fearless]

After watching both a few times I can see more appeal in the first one now. I was a fan of the second one to begin with.

The second has since made me ponder about using kids in an ad to talk about indoctrinating kids.

[crocoduck]

Loved both ads, but was really disappointed by Todd's response - "They're both good in a bad way".... WTF? They're both good in a fucking awesome way.

I loved the female panelist's comments (forget her name) about imaginary friends and such. Good on her for talking sense.

Yes it had me looking her up! Bridget Taylor. Wonder if she has been talking to Jane Caro?! (also on Gruen and a speaker at the last Convention)

[Godless Ray]

One my biggest most loyal clients is a Christian and as of yet never asked if I was, I have been quietly shitting myself about this for years now, I expect the advertising companies were sharing the same thoughts as myself Some people would make a business decision based o stuff like this.

I seem to get an open mouthed gobsmacked eyes wide open response from anyone who finds out about my lack of belief.

I look and act very Christian like, strong sense of empathy, lots of acts of charity, polite and sober.. yet they cannot reconcile this with my personal system of seeing the world it is like some mental instant tar and feathering

I become dirty or unclean to them.


I expect the companies were protecting the dollars

[Fearless]

I look and act very Christian like, strong sense of empathy, lots of acts of charity, polite and sober.. yet they cannot reconcile this with my personal system of seeing the world it is like some mental instant tar and feathering
Being a bit of devil's advocate here, but what do non-Christians look and act like? Dare I say you might just look and act like a decent human being. :p

Any endearing features beyond being 'normal' might just be a way that Christians tend to want people to perceive them as being. Most are no better, no more empathetic, polite etc than the rest of us as much as they would like to believe and have other people believe otherwise.

A good number of Christians I have known are conceited, bigoted hypocrites. It's hard to find notable qualities that put them in a better light than any of the rest of us.

It's all superficial.

Just saying ;)

[DezinerAU]

Loved both ads, but was really disappointed by Todd's response - "They're both good in a bad way".... WTF?

Just goes to show religion has a hold of some of the people you would least suspect.

As for the ads, I loved the first one. Unfortunately, but understandably, there was one notable religious figure missing from the end who should have been pushed off with the rest of them.

One thing going for the second one is that it didn't shy away from including Islam in with the others.

[CoachPedro]

There are a lot of 'Christians' in prison. Obviously their personal level of commitment varies.........


I thought ad number 1 was the best.