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gruber
1st September 2011, 05:47 PM
i saw a poll on msn that asks would you eat meat grown in a lab, 90% have said no out of 56,000.

Researchers show the artificially grown meat could be environmentally friendly, with substantial reductions to water, land and energy use, as well as saving millions of animals from the slaughter house, the Herald Sun reports.

I would have no problem as long as it doesnt taste like carbboard, like macdonalds chips.

dilbadoon
1st September 2011, 05:53 PM
I'm with you Gruber, as long as it tastes good, I'm in. There will probably be some study saying it may be carcinogenic but hey, what isn't these days.

Xeno
1st September 2011, 07:11 PM
I considered starting such a poll myself but I would categorise the yes/no answers by prior position with regard to meat eating and perhaps with regard to broad classifications of vegetarian position.

P.S. Knowledge of energy consumption and wastes required to create synthetic meat is also likely to matter.

Aldaron
1st September 2011, 07:15 PM
Hey, if someone can genetically engineer a large muscle that can sit in a box until it matures and then be chopped up and cooked, I'm all for it. I don't want to kill animals in order to eat, but it's kinda hard to eat them without killing them.

Best, I think, would be Star Trek type replicators that just build meat molecule by molecule. :)

Dane
1st September 2011, 07:22 PM
Hell yeah. I am eternally emasculated (or so I've been told by disreputable sources) because I can't eat anything but bite-size meat or mince and can't bear to look at raw meat. How awesome would it be to grow bite-size steak chunks? That seems to be the only way for me to not convert to vegetarianism when I get my own place.

gruber
1st September 2011, 08:27 PM
If they could mass produce the same amount of meat in a multi-story facility as a large cattle ranch so the land could be used for something more useful, why wouldnt ya go for it

Logic
1st September 2011, 08:58 PM
I think the idea of 'fake meat' grosses people out because they imagine a raw muscle laying in a petrie dish. They don't really think about the fact that they already eat dead animal muscle on a daily basis.

davo
2nd September 2011, 12:25 AM
Doesn't worry me, tho I probably wouldn't eat it as I don't crave for the taste of meat.

Really should have the other option in there of 'depends on many things', like you say, taste being one of them.

djarm67
2nd September 2011, 06:50 AM
Is it Halal?

How can you even cut it's throat?:p

AUSloth
2nd September 2011, 07:47 AM
If it looks like a duck,
walks like a duck,
quacks like a duck,
roasts, confits and pekings like a duck i'm in there :D

Even better if you can catapult it over lakes for the gun nuts to get there jollies:p:D

@ Mr Black - didn't I see your fury friend in a Korean restaurant somewhere?

sosman
2nd September 2011, 08:46 PM
Can't answer the poll unless I know what it tastes like.

Will they have wagyu varieties?

It would be kind of cool if they could get meat factories down to the size of say fridges.

AUSloth
2nd September 2011, 08:51 PM
Can't answer the poll unless I know what it tastes like.
Smoked!

sosman
2nd September 2011, 09:26 PM
Smoked!

Yeah but would you eat shit just because it was smoked?

AUSloth
2nd September 2011, 09:31 PM
Yeah but would you eat shit just because it was smoked?

LOL given that it was some protein substitute not already eaten once.

Sir Patrick Crocodile
4th September 2011, 12:01 AM
I would eat them for sure as long as it does not taste like cardboard or something. Of course I would also want it to contain the same (or similar) nutrient content as ordinary meat.

Atheos
4th September 2011, 12:56 AM
I've yet to taste an artificial food that tastes nice, I see mention of soymilk on the forum in the last few days, can't remember where', to me soymilk tastes like shit, it's fuckin horrible.

owheelj
4th September 2011, 12:35 PM
I've yet to taste an artificial food that tastes nice, I see mention of soymilk on the forum in the last few days, can't remember where', to me soymilk tastes like shit, it's fuckin horrible.

I'm unclear about what you mean by "artificial." Are you calling soy milk "artificial" because it's not real milk, or because of the process in which it is made?

Soy milk wasn't created in order to be a substitute for animal milk. People have been drinking soy milk for ~2000 years, and it's only the last few decades in the West that it's been seen as an alternative for animal milk.

Seamus
4th September 2011, 12:47 PM
I said yes because:

(1) I'm unconvinced we'd be told or could tell the difference..

(2) Grown in a laboratory does not necessarily mean 'artificial'.Eg cloning.

(3) I'm not paranoid about scientists and what they do in labs.

I'm far more comfy trusting a scientist than the media,a politician or clergy of any kind.

Seamus
4th September 2011, 12:52 PM
I'm unclear about what you mean by "artificial." Are you calling soy milk "artificial" because it's not real milk, or because of the process in which it is made?

Indeed, soy milk is no more artificial than is say coconut milk,it's just that neither comes from an animal.

I like coconut milk in cooking,but agree soy milk is an acquired taste I have yet to manage.

(like fresh goat's milk too)

Aldaron
4th September 2011, 02:56 PM
I said yes because:

(1) I'm unconvinced we'd be told or could tell the difference..

(2) Grown in a laboratory does not necessarily mean 'artificial'.Eg cloning.

(3) I'm not paranoid about scientists and what they do in labs.

I'm far more comfy trusting a scientist than the media,a politician or clergy of any kind.

+1 to this...

Atheos
4th September 2011, 03:27 PM
I'm unclear about what you mean by "artificial." Are you calling soy milk "artificial" because it's not real milk, or because of the process in which it is made?

Soy milk wasn't created in order to be a substitute for animal milk. People have been drinking soy milk for ~2000 years, and it's only the last few decades in the West that it's been seen as an alternative for animal milk.

Yes that's exactly why I call it "artificial" it is extract, not milk, unlike coconut milk which is milk, actually it is probably juice but as far as i know it has always been called milk and the only extraction required is breaking the shell. In any case, whatever you like to call it matters little, it still tastes like shit :)

owheelj
4th September 2011, 03:49 PM
Coconut milk isn't milk. Milk is a substance created by female mammals to feed their babies. Coconut milk is only called "milk" because it resembles actual milk, which is the same reason soy milk is called "milk."

Soy milk isn't an "extract," any more than a mashed potato is an "extract." It's just the result of grinding up soybeans, adding water and boiling.

Atheos
4th September 2011, 03:57 PM
Coconut milk isn't milk. Milk is a substance created by female mammals to feed their babies. Coconut milk is only called "milk" because it resembles actual milk, which is the same reason soy milk is called "milk."

Soy milk isn't an "extract," any more than a mashed potato is an "extract." It's just the result of grinding up soybeans, adding water and boiling.http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/milk
milk


Pronunciation:/mɪlk/
noun

[mass noun]

an opaque white fluid rich in fat and protein, secreted by female mammals for the nourishment of their young:some new mothers donít believe they produce enough breast milk
the milk of cows (or occasionally goats or ewes) as a drink for humans:a glass of milk
the white juice of certain plants:coconut milk
a creamy-textured liquid with a particular ingredient or use:cleansing milk


Soy milk has to be extracted from the soy bean, therefore it is extract.
http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/extract

extract


verb

Pronunciation:/ɪkˈstrakt, ɛk-/
[with object]

1 remove or take out , especially by effort or force:the fossils are extracted from the chalk
obtain (a substance or resource) from something by a special method:lead was extracted from the copper

Jaar-Gilon
4th September 2011, 04:06 PM
I eat fake meat all the time. My daughter and her mum are vegetarians and found a shop in Forest Hills that specialises in artificial meat. We had a mongolian mutton curry the other night, it was delicious and had I not known I would not have guessed it wasn't meat, even had bits that stick in your teeth exactly like mutton.
Had a great tricken stirfry not long ago too!
I quite like the facon she gets, lovely in FLT's

owheelj
4th September 2011, 04:22 PM
Your dictionary reference is merely describing how the word is used. It doesn't say whether it also considers soy milk to be milk or not.

http://www.soya.be/how-to-make-soy-milk.php


Under your definition, all processed food is an extract. Soy milk isn't some kind of product that exists within soy beans and can be taken out, it's little bits of ground up soy bean in solution with water.

I also note, irrelevantly, that the example sentence for extract; of extracting lead from copper, is wrong.

Edit; Do you consider flour to be an extract from wheat?

Atheos
4th September 2011, 05:54 PM
Your dictionary reference is merely describing how the word is used. It doesn't say whether it also considers soy milk to be milk or not.

http://www.soya.be/how-to-make-soy-milk.php


Under your definition, all processed food is an extract. Soy milk isn't some kind of product that exists within soy beans and can be taken out, it's little bits of ground up soy bean in solution with water.

I also note, irrelevantly, that the example sentence for extract; of extracting lead from copper, is wrong.

Edit; Do you consider flour to be an extract from wheat?
Step4: Grinding the soya beans

Grind the soaked soya beans and 1 liter water in a blender. Sieve the mixture trough a cheese cloth and recover the soy milk. The insoluble material which remains on the sieve is called okara, and can be used as an ingredient for bread making or as cattle feed. From the website you linked, if that's not extraction I don't know what is.
All food seperated from its original form is an extract, yes, that's what I consider an extract, you need to take that up with oxford about the copper thing, I don't know, that part was just in the definition, not applicable to this discussion, if it isn't whole wheat flour that has been simply ground , yes I do consider white flour to be an extract.

PeterCartledge
4th September 2011, 07:47 PM
Actually, it is not artificial meat, it is meat that is grown in a laboratory rather than on an animal. I guess I would then call it manufactured meat, rather than artificial.

Still, I guess it's all semantics.

I have no doubt that the researchers are aiming for a superior product over the original. That is what they prefer to do. It's when the business people get involved that things go wrong. Always looking at the bottom line. Shaving corners here and there. Insisting on cheaper substitutes, etc.

In most cases, there is nothing wrong with the science, the problem is mostly the business people who want to make huge profits for little outlay. I know, that makes me sound "anti-capitalist" or "pro-socialist" but I'm not.

Give me laboratory/factory grown meat any day. If it cuts back on land use and is environmentally friendly and it tastes that same with the same nutritional value (or better) then count me in.

Pass the sauce and role out the factory burgers.

robertkd
4th September 2011, 08:06 PM
Interesting topic and no I couldn't resist,..:p

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I'd be fine with it as I consider our current meat production to be inefficient and resource hungry it's just gotta to be exactly like the real McCoy and I'd be okay with it.

Spud Henley
4th September 2011, 11:22 PM
I'm sorry, maybe it's all the medicine talking but something about "artificial meat" makes my stomach feel ill. I understand all the benefits but to me it's like saying sh!t has been proven to reverse aging. Death could not greet me wam enough.

michalis
7th September 2011, 12:52 PM
I'm sorry, maybe it's all the medicine talking but something about "artificial meat" makes my stomach feel ill. I understand all the benefits but to me it's like saying sh!t has been proven to reverse aging. Death could not greet me wam enough.
Well take heart. From what I've read the technology to grow a viable meat replacement product is still a very long way off.

Seamus
10th September 2011, 03:29 PM
Well take heart. From what I've read the technology to grow a viable meat replacement product is still a very long way off.
I'm only interested in a bacon substitute which tastes THE SAME,not "vaguely similar". I tried turkey bacon,once,I quite liked it,but not INSTEAD of real bacon.

I could quite happily become a porkarian. Currently I tend to eat a lot of stuff which looks like chicken,but tastes only vaguely similar to chicken. Same with eggs. I use a lot of strong herbs and spices.

Meat is not necessary for a healthy life. OK,you don't REALLY live longer as a vegetarian,it just seems longer.:p